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re: Why did Trump approve 250 million in military aid for Ukraine against Russia?

Posted on 5/29/23 at 12:51 pm to
Posted by LosTigres251
Plano
Member since Mar 2018
1597 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 12:51 pm to
He made mistakes, which side are you on in here?

But he is an unbelievable leader, you must admit this. Especially when compared to this slime ball and his family, correct?

If not please explain to us what Biden is doing that is working for the average American tax paying Citizen?
Posted by Solo Cam
Member since Sep 2015
32735 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 12:51 pm to
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I'm not happy or sad. It's just what it is
I didn't ask how you felt. Im asking if you agreed with the decision that under the Trump administration the US government sends hundreds of millions of dollars and weapons to fund a non-NATO military on Russias border?
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119383 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 12:52 pm to
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So the executive branch has no operating power on how we allocate funds and weapons?


You would have to look it up but if the money is appropriated under congress I'm pretty sure that it is law that the money has to be spent in the prescribed area. Trump did not interrupt the "who" it was spent. He disrupted the "how" it was spent.
Posted by Solo Cam
Member since Sep 2015
32735 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 12:54 pm to
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He made mistakes, which side are you on in here?
Peace. We're not the world police and we shouldn't have been funding a non-NATO country in Russias border. It is the most dangerous thing we could do that could lead to very real nuclear war.

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But he is an unbelievable leader, you must admit this. Especially when compared to this slime ball and his family, correct?
I loved his tax and immigration policies. Biden is the worst president in my lifetime.

Trump was and is 1000x better than this new regime with their identity politics bullshite.

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If not please explain to us what Biden is doing that is working for the average American tax paying Citizen?
See above post, I can be honest with myself. Biden is trash but I'm confused as to why Trump continued supporting this proxy war? I thought he was suppose to drain the swamp?
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119383 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 12:58 pm to
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Im asking if you agreed with the decision that under the Trump administration the US government sends hundreds of millions of dollars and weapons to fund a non-NATO military on Russias border?



Did not necessarily agree. But was happy he pissed off a lot of people on the way the money was spent.

Remember the president is not a dictator. He has to work with three other branches (Judicial, Legislative and Administrative...I'm kidding. I know it's two other branches).

But comparing $500MM back then to >>$100B now it kind of ridiculous. There are foreign policy areas where Biden spends $500MM and it doesn't even raise an eyebrow. Ukraine spending makes the news because it is so much more money.
Posted by PaperTiger
Ruston, LA
Member since Feb 2015
23064 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 1:02 pm to


1. Trump held the money up and everyone bashed Trump saying it was a quid pro quo.

2. The money had already been voted on and allocated to go to Ukraine.




Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
31543 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 1:04 pm to
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1. Trump held the money up and everyone bashed Trump saying it was a quid pro quo.

2. The money had already been voted on and allocated to go to Ukraine.




Yes! They lost their minds over this and is exactly why he was impeached.

Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36457 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 1:07 pm to
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Trump did the right thing by helping Ukraine defend themselves. Wait, so now it's good to send resources to Ukraine?


I was in favor of the US providing defensive weapons to Ukraine when Obama was president. The same with Trump. And the same with Biden.

If Europe and the West had provided more perhaps Russia would have thought twice, but we did very little so they went in in a big way.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119383 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 1:08 pm to
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1. Trump held the money up and everyone bashed Trump saying it was a quid pro quo.



Forgot about the timing. The money was appropriated and Trump held off until the last minute to spend it and when he did he spend it, he spent it in on stinger missiles.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
31543 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 1:11 pm to
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Trump held off until the last minute to spend it and when he did he spend it, he spent it in on stinger missiles.




I remember he was accused of starting WWIII over this. They literally were going mad the money was held up.

Now look what they are doing. Paying themselves with interest.
Posted by RTRinTampa
Central FL
Member since Jan 2013
5532 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 1:19 pm to
Anyone that thinks Ukraine is anything other than a money laundering scheme for our political elite is a MORON, plain and simple.

We could have called Putin's pair of deuces with a full house by deploying the 101st into Ukraine in Feb 2022 while telling him to come get some. We didn't but all our politicians got new beach houses, so it's all good.
Posted by LosTigres251
Plano
Member since Mar 2018
1597 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 1:40 pm to
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See above post, I can be honest with myself. Biden is trash but I'm confused as to why Trump continued supporting this proxy war? I thought he was suppose to drain the swamp?


I do not know. I can only speculate that Trump was doing so well, he figured he would win against this little mediocre man in the election. If he were president it wouldnt have gotten like this, imo. Same with:
The border- This alone is so irresponsible
Crime
fear of WW III
Gas prices
Grocery prices
Kids not in school
Lockdowns
Fentanyl
Spy ballons a week crossing our country


As far as draining the swamp goes, i give trump an incomplete grade. i think he greatly underestimated the corruption and the Anti American hate from People in leadership positions living here. I mean who wouldve ever thought that it wouldve been John mcclain to nix the border wall. Rino?

With that being said, Trump now has the list of all the names that hate America and want a totalitarian govt. From both sides and around the globe especially to our north.

Trump will be much better this time around, especially if he isnt dealing with impeachment the entire time.

Why risk this task to anyone else?
To drain the swamp? Trump is the only one that has any chance to begin to crawl our way out of all this tyranny and evilness and no one is more motivated.
Posted by stout
Smoking Crack with Hunter Biden
Member since Sep 2006
167777 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 1:45 pm to
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WOW! That's what you resort to..

Yes Trump has.


That's nothing to do with this topic. That's an attempt to change directions.




Solo Cam is moving the goal post constantly with weak arguments
Posted by 2020_reVISION
Richmond,VA
Member since Dec 2020
3058 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 1:51 pm to
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I wonder if another novel virus will be created in a lab under his administration as well?


Sorry, but it wasn't created under his administration. Nor was the "vaccine", which was the motivation behind the overhyped virus that's less dangerous than the flu.
Posted by Solo Cam
Member since Sep 2015
32735 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 1:54 pm to
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Solo Cam is moving the goal post constantly with weak arguments
Trump proud defender of Ukraine who did more for their military than Obama ever did.

His words.
Posted by Solo Cam
Member since Sep 2015
32735 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 1:56 pm to
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WOW! That's what you resort to..

Yes Trump has.


That's nothing to do with this topic. That's an attempt to change directions.

He called him Nostradamus but you're right. It's not on topic.

I'm assuming you agree with his administration and Trump that we did the right thing sending hundreds of millions of dollars and weapons to Ukraine. Obviously you agree with Trump when he urged NATO countries to continue finding Ukraine in their fight vs Russian citizens in the name of democracy on Russias border?
Posted by 2020_reVISION
Richmond,VA
Member since Dec 2020
3058 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 2:03 pm to
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Biden is trash but I'm confused as to why Trump continued supporting this proxy war?


There was no proxy war to support. You've been told numerous times why the money/weapons had to go & the reactions from the swamp when he threw them a curveball.

Why don't you tell us your answer to the question?
Posted by LosTigres251
Plano
Member since Mar 2018
1597 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 2:08 pm to
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He called him Nostradamus


Incorrect.

Posted by sta4ever
The Pit
Member since Aug 2014
15517 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 2:21 pm to
Why? Because it’s the right thing to do and has been the US’s role in the world on what to do when a situation like this arises. Been that way since 1945. Whether you like it or not, it’s irrelevant because that’s the way it’s going to continue to be.
Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
22503 posts
Posted on 5/29/23 at 2:24 pm to
Trump is Slava Ukraine.


Remember when many on here use to slam Jug Ears for sending blankets and praised Trump when he sent weapons?

I remember.
This post was edited on 5/29/23 at 2:28 pm
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