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I broke down and did it, because I had to find out for myself, I ordered a GFS Thinline..

Posted on 3/28/23 at 9:43 am
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30865 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 9:43 am
60s ash Telly body, natural with clear coat finish. It arrived yesterday.
I have to say, it's beautiful. Great wood, finish is flawless, nicely put together.
I did a soft build with a new roasted maple neck that I have, red tortoise shell pickguard and a vintage Fender bridge. Neck pocket is perfect, snug like a surgical glove. Alignment right on the money with all the predrilled string holes. Pickup routes great, with good wiring route holes already done.. but 1 of the neck bolt holes is 1/32 off, the other 3 are perfect
It's easy enough to fix, but still..
I'm gonna keep it and use it, because it was very reasonably priced, but how do you mess up that one hole?
This post was edited on 3/28/23 at 9:46 am
Posted by TheFretShack
Member since Oct 2015
1343 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 9:50 am to
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I'm gonna keep it and use it, because it was very reasonably priced, but how do you mess up that one hole?


Because there is a big difference in a luthier and an unskilled Asian sweatshop worker.

I thought you don't buy new Chinese products?
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30865 posts
Posted on 3/28/23 at 9:56 am to
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I thought you don't buy new Chinese products?

I know their Lido Products are Chinese made, but I don't know about the XGP ones, so I told myself it was made in Mexico. ..and it might be, or Indonesia... I have no way to know.
I'll put a dowel in that hole and redrill it right.
This post was edited on 3/28/23 at 10:25 am
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30865 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 6:41 pm to
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Because there is a big difference in a luthier and an unskilled Asian sweatshop worker.

I thought you don't buy new Chinese products?

The more I look at this body, the packaging certifications, the lack of any customs stickers etc. There is no indication that this body was made outside of The U.S.
The cardboard certifications on all of the boxing is from Uline in Pleasant Prairie, Wisconsin. GFS is located in Sarasota, Florida.
With the exception of the 1 hole being drilled wrong, this body is flawless,
All of the pieces are obviously cut on a CNC mill, well sanded and deburred, then assembled nicely.
As I said, it was reasonably priced, but I can buy nice bodies that I know are U.S. made, for less (about 50 bucks less). I just can't get them completely finished like this.
That 1 hole being drilled wrong is aggravating and weird that it could happen on a simple 4 hole rectangle pattern, but it will only take an hour total work to fix it, it's easy and will be covered by the neck plate. This guitar is gonna be for me anyway.
All in all, the more that I look at this thing, the happier I am with it, and I won't hesitate to buy another finished XGP body. I wouldn't touch their Lido or Xavier products though.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49476 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 6:59 pm to
Break it onstage & burn it as you close the show out

Trick people into thinking they saw something
This post was edited on 3/29/23 at 7:00 pm
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30865 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 7:10 pm to
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Break it onstage & burn it as you close the show out

Trick people into thinking they saw something


If I had your kind of money, I could do fun stuff like that. Maybe crank up a chain saw and cut it up. I'm stuck having to behave like a poor person though. I can't afford gas for chainsaws.
I could have like a mini excavator on stage, and I could just walk it over there and destroy a guitar with the bucket. If you put a grip thumb on there, you could just pick it up and crush it, and that stuff is fun to see.
This post was edited on 3/29/23 at 11:51 pm
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
66371 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 10:19 pm to
Almost positive these are manufacturered in China.

Likely shipped here in bulk then stored until being shipped out from their US facility to buyers.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30865 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 10:48 pm to
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Almost positive these are manufacturered in China.

Likely shipped here in bulk then stored until being shipped out from their US facility to buyers.

I disagree, mainly because I know a little bit about Packaging, logistics and shipping.
A warehouse/ repackaging budget setup in Sarasota, Fl., isn't going to buy their boxes from a union factory in Wisconsin. They can get it cheaper locally. Every little town has a box plant.
This finish is perfect, it was never shipped in bulk, handled and passed around. It was done, put in the package and sent to the customer, and I'm not sure that The Chinese would use packaging from a union company in Wisconsin either, and they sure as hell wouldn't get it to me in 7 days.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
66371 posts
Posted on 3/29/23 at 11:54 pm to
I have no insight into their shipping methods but basically everything else they sell is manufactured in China so there's no reason to believe this line isn't.

Especially with tell tale signs of Chinese manufacturing such as:
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XGP represents the very best quality parts that we can source, at the very lowest prices.

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We suggest you compare these to MUCH more expensive bodies and necks made in Japan and the USA.

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XGP gives you a chance to purchase very high quality parts and below USA Wholesale prices. We sell warehouse direct- no middlemen, no sales reps, no trade shows.


It's quite possible that they manufacture this one line in Mexico or Indonesia but I find it very doubtful and it seems to be the consensus on various websites and message boards that they are indeed manufactured in China.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30865 posts
Posted on 3/30/23 at 12:07 am to
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have no insight into their shipping methods but basically everything else they sell is manufactured in China so there's no reason to believe this line isn't.

Especially with tell tale signs of Chinese manufacturing such as:
quote:
XGP represents the very best quality parts that we can source, at the very lowest prices.

quote:
We suggest you compare these to MUCH more expensive bodies and necks made in Japan and the USA.

quote:
XGP gives you a chance to purchase very high quality parts and below USA Wholesale prices. We sell warehouse direct- no middlemen, no sales reps, no trade shows.


It's quite possible that they manufacture this one line in Mexico or Indonesia but I find it very doubtful and it seems to be the consensus on various websites and message boards that they are indeed manufactured in China.


Can you provide some evidence? Besides what you heard? I have one, with all packaging in front of me.
We can do measurements, If you can tell me how to find out the truth. I have all kinds of measuring tools here with me. It's always good to get down to the truth, no matter what.
This post was edited on 3/30/23 at 12:51 am
Posted by TheFretShack
Member since Oct 2015
1343 posts
Posted on 3/30/23 at 7:05 am to
Okay, let's try this ... import bills and customs forms are accessible to businesses to not only source product vendors but to research their competitors. Even without a subscription to this company, this sample pulled up immediately when I ran the the parent company's name.
Because of my business and my own dealings with Asian manufacturers, suppliers, wholesalers, I know EVERY vendor in this list. I knew all this before I ran it, that's why I asked you why the about face on Chinese goods?



You are buying products made in China by unskilled, borderline enslaved, labor.

On the finish "quality" ... the polyester they shoot those bodies requires nice specialized guns but the poly itself is very cheap, it is easy to mix and tint, easy to shoot, needs virtually no wetsanding or buffing. A child can shoot poly. It is also hard as nails, meaning with reasonable delicacy they can survive handling in China, under random examination by Customs officials, and they during repackaging stateside.

The "quality" wood ... they use insanely fast-growing Asian species of ash and alder (if you want to call it that). That's why they are so lightweight, they barely mature. That mixed with use of industrial-grade kilns that dry the wood prematurely to virtually no moisture. The trip on a pallet across the Pacific and then the sit in the port of Long Beach clearing customs will remoisturize them (somewhat).

GF gets them by the pallet in BIG BULK and repackages them all nice and sweet individually to raise consumer perception of value. GF can afford to do that because when it's all said and done because they are in them for so little $$$ wise to begin with.

There are your answers.

If you want to get back on your "I don't buy Chinese" stance, research and run Customs traces and look for Woosong Chorus for the point of origin for bargain Asian acquisitions. They are a Korean supplier who makes everything with the exception of machine heads. I utilize them for bulk humbucker bobbins and for other pickup components that are not huge factors in regard to the end tone result.

But be forewarned ... WSC are a massive distributor who only deals with bulk buyers like GF and myself in the USA. If you are not spending at least $5K and putting a huge dent in the several thousand dollars it costs just to load, ship and unload a container on a huge ship in today's economy, WSC won't return your e-mails. Ask me how I know this :)

Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
30865 posts
Posted on 3/30/23 at 10:43 am to
OK, thanx for the info, I won't buy from them again.
This one's gonna turn out pretty nice though.
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