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Fall of USA vs the Fall of Rome
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:09 pm
I’m not an expert on the historical accuracy of this comparison, but it is interesting nonetheless.
YT the Fall of Rome
Twitter (excerpt from full video and quick summary)
I realize the comparison of Wokeness to Christianity will not be looked upon favorably, but I still think it’s a novel topic.
YT the Fall of Rome
Twitter (excerpt from full video and quick summary)
I realize the comparison of Wokeness to Christianity will not be looked upon favorably, but I still think it’s a novel topic.
This post was edited on 3/15/23 at 2:12 pm
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Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:14 pm to YankeeBama
All empires fall due to replacement of the founding stock. America is people not ideology.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:19 pm to Santa Claws
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All empires fall due to replacement of the founding stock. America is people not ideology.
This video goes into the details of how the ideology took over the Roman people.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:19 pm to YankeeBama
sure does explain the meaning of ... Nero fiddled while Rome burned doesn't it?
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:19 pm to YankeeBama
Will and Ariel Durant wrote in The Story of Civilization (Vol.
3-Caesar and Christ, Simon & Schuster, 1944, p. 366):
3-Caesar and Christ, Simon & Schuster, 1944, p. 366):
quote:America's decline predicted in 1973
If Rome had not engulfed so many men of alien blood in so brief a time,
if she had passed all these newcomers through her schools instead of her slums, if she had treated them as men with a hundred potential excellences,
if she had occasionally closed her gates to let assimilation catch up with infiltration,
she might have gained new racial and literary vitality from the infusion, and might have remained a Roman Rome, the voice and citadel of the West.
LOSS OF COMMON LANGUAGE
At first immigrants assimilated and learned the Latin language. They worked as servants with many rising to leadership.
But then they came so fast they did not learn Latin, but instead created a mix of Latin with their own Frankish, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Romanian, Germanic and Anglo tribal tongues.
The unity of the Roman Empire began to dissolve.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:20 pm to YankeeBama
Plot twist: The USA is just an extension of The Roman Empire, aka modern day Babylon
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:25 pm to Kafka
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Kafka
Spot on. I’ve never seen this. Thanks for sharing.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:29 pm to dantes69
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Nero fiddled while Rome burned doesn't it?
I cannot read the word 'Nero' without thinking of Peter Ustinov's magnificent performance.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 3:15 pm to YankeeBama
I used to be opposed to these types of comparisons, but the way the US has ignored its border in the last decade have made the similarities more relevant.
The city of Rome was founded as a settlement that was made up of many different ethnicities, a melting pot, if you will. 600 years later, in the 200's A.D. Germanic/Barbaric tribes and other groups were pushed westward into roman territory in western Europe. The Roman military had to pay and enlist Germanic/Barbaric peoples to fight against other "invading" tribes. This payment often came in the form of land. Give the Franks land for helping to fight the Visigoths, give the Visigoths land to fight the Burgundians etc...
By the 400's Rome's army looked different with Germanic/Barbaric chieftains ruling as "Master of the Soldiers" and the empire giving most of its land in Western Europe away with only Italy left as still being exclusively ruled by Romans. In fact two of the most powerful figures to hold the title of "Master of the Soldier" were Ricimer and Gundobad, both known as men of Germanic/Barbaric descent that were Romanized. Getting land in Italy was the eventual goal of Odovacer who eventually told Rome he and his men would help if they gave him land in Italy. He was told no and invaded a weakened Italy and Rome. In the end Rome was not able to properly manage it's borders and those individuals settling in Roman lands became the very people running the military and deciding policy on how to deal with the borders.
The city of Rome was founded as a settlement that was made up of many different ethnicities, a melting pot, if you will. 600 years later, in the 200's A.D. Germanic/Barbaric tribes and other groups were pushed westward into roman territory in western Europe. The Roman military had to pay and enlist Germanic/Barbaric peoples to fight against other "invading" tribes. This payment often came in the form of land. Give the Franks land for helping to fight the Visigoths, give the Visigoths land to fight the Burgundians etc...
By the 400's Rome's army looked different with Germanic/Barbaric chieftains ruling as "Master of the Soldiers" and the empire giving most of its land in Western Europe away with only Italy left as still being exclusively ruled by Romans. In fact two of the most powerful figures to hold the title of "Master of the Soldier" were Ricimer and Gundobad, both known as men of Germanic/Barbaric descent that were Romanized. Getting land in Italy was the eventual goal of Odovacer who eventually told Rome he and his men would help if they gave him land in Italy. He was told no and invaded a weakened Italy and Rome. In the end Rome was not able to properly manage it's borders and those individuals settling in Roman lands became the very people running the military and deciding policy on how to deal with the borders.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 8:33 pm to donut
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I used to be opposed to these types of comparisons, but the way the US has ignored its border in the last decade have made the similarities more relevant. The city of Rome was founded as a settlement that was made up of many different ethnicities, a melting pot, if you will. 600 years later, in the 200's A.D. Germanic/Barbaric tribes and other groups were pushed westward into roman territory in western Europe. The Roman military had to pay and enlist Germanic/Barbaric peoples to fight against other "invading" tribes. This payment often came in the form of land. Give the Franks land for helping to fight the Visigoths, give the Visigoths land to fight the Burgundians etc... By the 400's Rome's army looked different with Germanic/Barbaric chieftains ruling as "Master of the Soldiers" and the empire giving most of its land in Western Europe away with only Italy left as still being exclusively ruled by Romans. In fact two of the most powerful figures to hold the title of "Master of the Soldier" were Ricimer and Gundobad, both known as men of Germanic/Barbaric descent that were Romanized. Getting land in Italy was the eventual goal of Odovacer who eventually told Rome he and his men would help if they gave him land in Italy. He was told no and invaded a weakened Italy and Rome. In the end Rome was not able to properly manage it's borders and those individuals settling in Roman lands became the very people running the military and deciding policy on how to deal with the borders.
The more I read into this, the more the video above checks out. Interesting comparison.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 9:12 pm to YankeeBama
William Napier's historical fiction series about Attila the Hun gives a significant insight into the fall of the Roman Empire and also has some very good history most people do not know. I enjoyed it immensely.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 9:16 pm to YankeeBama
Roman Empire lasted over 1000 years. We aren’t even in the same discussion.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 9:31 pm to ItNeverRains
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Roman Empire lasted over 1000 years. We aren’t even in the same discussion.
We are though. Al Gore invented the internet. Now everyone has it in their hand 24/7.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 9:49 pm to ItNeverRains
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Roman Empire lasted over 1000 years. We aren’t even in the same discussion.
The Roman Republic lasted a little under five hundred. That would be the apt comparison.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 11:51 pm to shinerfan
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The Roman Republic lasted a little under five hundred. That would be the apt comparison
Yes, and the details of their demise bares a strong resemblance.
Posted on 3/16/23 at 6:25 am to dantes69
You do realize the Nero fiddling thing is all bullshite....it was PR set up by the Senate after they had killed him
Posted on 3/16/23 at 6:35 am to YankeeBama
Christianity did not kill Rome. In fact at least in Byzantium/ Constantinople it was a unified that kept the empire strong until about the 8th or 9th century.
Then, you just had a succession of idiots for emperors....see Battle of Manzikert
In the West it was different. There was not nearly the financial resources there. Once you left Milan, the West of Europe was an ungovernable wasteland that sucked money from Milan and Ravenna. Plus by the late 300's the emperors were very weak and ineffective...and corrupt. There was a reason Attila ran roughshod over the West as opposed to the East ( he did some damage there as well)
Then, you just had a succession of idiots for emperors....see Battle of Manzikert
In the West it was different. There was not nearly the financial resources there. Once you left Milan, the West of Europe was an ungovernable wasteland that sucked money from Milan and Ravenna. Plus by the late 300's the emperors were very weak and ineffective...and corrupt. There was a reason Attila ran roughshod over the West as opposed to the East ( he did some damage there as well)
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Posted on 3/16/23 at 7:18 am to ItNeverRains
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Roman Empire lasted over 1000 years. We aren’t even in the same discussion.
From longevity, no. From the ability of being a global hegemony I would say the US surpasses Rome.
Posted on 3/16/23 at 7:19 am to KiwiHead
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West of Europe was an ungovernable wasteland
The good ole days of western Europe.
Posted on 3/16/23 at 7:37 am to Kafka
The America I knew is gone. IMO the country will simply dissolve into factions fighting each other - a sort of balkcanization run amok. It's already begun.
Unity is NOT one of the redeeming characteristics of the demonic.
Our Founding Fathers said it best.....
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. - John Adams
Unity is NOT one of the redeeming characteristics of the demonic.
Our Founding Fathers said it best.....
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. - John Adams
This post was edited on 3/16/23 at 3:30 pm
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