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re: Heart attack deaths have soared in all age groups since start of the pandemic
Posted on 2/27/23 at 8:41 pm to El Segundo Guy
Posted on 2/27/23 at 8:41 pm to El Segundo Guy
quote:I mean the data is out there. Those under 40 are less vaccinated than those over 40
You'd be shocked at how many sheep got their teenagers vaxxed.
If the vaccine was the cause for rise in heart attacks, I would naturally expect the rate of rise to be higher n the group more vaccinated.
This shows the opposite.
This post was edited on 2/27/23 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 2/27/23 at 10:39 pm to lsupride87
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I mean the data is out there. Those under 40 are less vaccinated than those over 40
If the vaccine was the cause for rise in heart attacks, I would naturally expect the rate of rise to be higher n the group more vaccinated.
The variable you are missing is that heart attacks are not evenly distributed amongst age groups. In fact they are really lopsided towards old people so an increase in totals is not going to move the percentage meter much for old folks but it's going to produce a much more drastic shift for younger folks.
Posted on 2/27/23 at 11:37 pm to lsupride87
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if vaccine was the cause, I would naturally expect higher rise in group more vaccinated
That's discounting the possible physiological mechanism.
Perhaps it's immune related as in stronger immune response, greater heart inflammation etc. There could be reasons younger getting killed at higher rates.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:17 am to lsupride87
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I mean the data is out there. Those under 40 are less vaccinated than those over 40 If the vaccine was the cause for rise in heart attacks, I would naturally expect the rate of rise to be higher n the group more vaccinated. This shows the opposite.
I really don’t have an opinion one way or another right now, but this logic is just dumb. Here is the math explaining why. Pulling these numbers out my arse but it’s just a math problem to explain your faulty logic. You can apply any numbers you want and the result is the same.
10 in 100,000 “young” die of heart attack
100 in 100,000 “old” die of heart attack
Of those 100,000 let’s say 80,000k in the old group get vaccinated and only 30,000k in the young group get vaccinated.
The 80k vaccinations lead to 20 more deaths in the old group, bumping it up 20% to 120 per 100k. So 20 in 80000 is an incidence rate of something like 0.025%.
The 30k vaccinations in the young group lead to 7.5 more deaths with the same incidence rate applied. That is a 75% increase in the young group to 17.5 in 100,000.
Even though they got vaccinated at a rate of less than half that of the older group, the same incidence rate leads to a much higher percentage jump, 75% vs 20%, because they were already way lower and less likely to have a heart attack to begin with.
I have a strong feeling you didn’t graduate in any sort of math related major.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 9:45 am to lsupride87
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If the vaccine was the cause for rise in heart attacks, I would naturally expect the rate of rise to be higher n the group more vaccinated.
You keep saying this. Can you explain that?
The baseline of young heart attacks is very low. The baseline of older people is much higher.
How did you come to this conclusion which apparently is the basis of your opinion?
Posted on 2/28/23 at 9:51 am to lsupride87
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I mean the data is out there. Those under 40 are less vaccinated than those over 40
If the vaccine was the cause for rise in heart attacks, I would naturally expect the rate of rise to be higher n the group more vaccinated.
I see you are choosing the side of simple thinking. If A doesn't equal B then the answer must be C.
You are also ignoring the rise in myocarditis in young athletic people. It's almost, as if this "vaccine" is affecting younger people differently than older people, along with what the other poster said about the established baseline or frequency of heart attacks already in the elderly.
If this tells you anything, maybe it's that this "vaccine" should have undergone long term, prescribed, testing rather than rushed through. Or, maybe you just don't mandate it, give immunity to the big pharma, and be truthful about the dangers of this vaccine.
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