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re: Social Security - Help me understand better

Posted on 2/9/23 at 12:08 pm to
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 2/9/23 at 12:08 pm to
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It is far more sustainable than cost of carry on our non-SS debt in a 5-6% inflationary environment.


Yeah, but that's a pretty low bar. I understand your point, that doesn't suggest any solution.

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Due to demographics, SS will indeed fall out of balance in current dollars over the next few years. It will serve as a deficit "shiny object" while feds otherwise irresponsibly overspend and redistribute our money. There will be pressure, particularly on GenY/GenZ to accept a still lower ROI as Uncle Sam forces them to lend him money in the future.


Pressure? It's inevitable. Unless we just let triggered cuts to retirees kick in, and I don't think that will be allowed to happen.

We are basically looking at increased payroll taxes. Nothing else will much fly politically. Maybe R's can extract a mandatory program as part of it, but they will probably chicken out.

And whatever the solution the sooner the better.

Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124688 posts
Posted on 2/9/23 at 1:34 pm to
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Yeah, but that's a pretty low bar.
Indeed. But that low bar is a massive 1000% of predicted SS shortfalls.

SSTF holdings are currently ~$2.8 trillion. Any shortfalls in annual revenue:expenditure are withdrawn from the trust fund.

In 2034, the SSTF is slated to run out of money. At that point, SS revenue will amount to 80% of SS payouts. That equates to a ~$220 Billion/yr deficit. If unaddressed, the 20% SS deficit would continue in a fairly stable manner for the next 75yrs.

In the meantime, the non-SS budgetary deficit is slated run about $2 trillion in 2034. i.e., UNSUSTAINABLE and 10 times the SS deficit.

Again the fact we are even discussing SS, as opposed to our gargantuan non-SS overspending is demonstrative as to how ridiculous the deficit conversation has become.
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