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re: Pope (emeritus) Benedict has died
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:27 pm to Stitches
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:27 pm to Stitches
quote:I see this a lot. It’s lazy.
Which one of the Holy Spirit led reformers got it right then, since they all had different beliefs as to what the true beliefs were?
They likely held 95% of their beliefs in common. There was probably more commonly held beliefs among Luther, Calvin, and Cranmer than in most centuries prior to the Reformation.
They disagreed about finer points of doctrine that are not essential for salvation.
The true beliefs according to the Lutherans, Anglicans, and Reformed are found in the Augsburg Confession, 39 Articles, and Belgic Confessions.
Amazingly, you can go through those documents with a fine tooth comb and find that they blend together. Did you never know this or has your conversion made you forget?
There’s enough there for a solid front. The Catholics at the time knew what to oppose. That’s for sure.
quote:I do it with verses that are obscure and self admittedly difficult. You do it with verses that provide the clearest of gospel truths.
Typical protestant cop-out. Read a very obvious piece of scripture that supports the Catholic point and just choose to ignore it because it goes against what you believe.
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The mass isn't a new sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins. It's simply a representation of the one sacrifice.
I never said it was. I was talking about Te Deums. However, the mass is effectual, though it should not be considered effectual. Missing mass brings grave consequences, but it shouldn’t. There are only two commandments. Participate in weekly communion or go to purgatory ain’t one of them.
quote:You abandoned him long ago. Severe judge that he is (according to Leo).
He gave us the Church to help guide us and teach us though.
Posted on 1/2/23 at 10:56 pm to bayoubengals88
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I see this a lot. It’s lazy.
It's not lazy, it's the truth.
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They disagreed about finer points of doctrine that are not essential for salvation
This is lazy.
Luther taught free-will and that grace is resistible. Calvin believed that free will was gone permanently because God is completely sovereign, and thus His grace is irresistible.
They kind of agreed on predestination, but Calvin believed that Christ died only for the elect ("limited atonement"), while Luther believed that Christ died for all humanity. Calvin also believed that God predestined people to Hell, which is entirely unbiblical.
Those are pretty big differences.
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There are only two commandments.
There are 10. Jesus gave 2 as being the most important, but they basically summarize the first 3 and last 6
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You abandoned him long ago.
On the contrary, I've never been closer to Him. I wonder what Paul would think about these man-made religions floating about the world today.
This post was edited on 1/2/23 at 11:19 pm
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