re: The Battle of Franklin 1864

Oh boy. You done it now.

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They tried, the U.S. government wouldn’t allow it.

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Really, they wouldn't let them leave the country? I mean packing bags and getting the frick OUT.

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I’m sure that the south would’ve had no problem allowing them to leave.

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What in the actual frick? You wouldn't mind the state telling you to leave you r home and get out? frick that, pussy.

But you know how I know you didn't read the letter?

Now that war comes home to you, you feel very different. You depreciate its horrors, but did not feel them when you sent car-loads of soldiers and ammunition, and moulded shells and shot, to carry war into Kentucky and Tennessee, to desolate the homes of hundreds of thousands of good people who only asked to live in peace at their old homes, and under the Government of their inheritance.

Those are actual Americans he's talking about, not traitors. They don't want to go anywhere, they want to stay home - under the government they inherited, not some government of the slaveholders.

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Much of it was almost word for word with the US Constitution.

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It's the differences. Why were states required to allow slavery? Why couldn't a state be free to vote it out? That's not more liberty, that's tyranny.

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The US government didn’t even believe this.

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You were the one referring to founding principles. That's one of the big ones. The Confederacy wanted to go backwards on that one, not the Union as you accused them of.

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He wasn’t even in most of the southern states ballots.

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That doesn't answer the question. Why did they leave before they even saw what kind of president he would be? After all, he was a Republican.

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Really, they wouldn't let them leave the country? I mean packing bags and getting the frick OUT.

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Again, you seem to misunderstand how people viewed the relationship between state and federal government back then. Especially southerners.

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What in the actual frick? You wouldn't mind the state telling you to leave you r home and get out? frick that, pussy.

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I didn’t say that at all. I said that they would be free to leave. Which would also mean they would be free to stay.

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You were the one referring to founding principles. That's one of the big ones. The Confederacy wanted to go backwards on that one, not the Union as you accused them of.

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The founding principle of seeking self governance?

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But you know how I know you didn't read the letter? Now that war comes home to you, you feel very different. You depreciate its horrors, but did not feel them when you sent car-loads of soldiers and ammunition, and moulded shells and shot, to carry war into Kentucky and Tennessee, to desolate the homes of hundreds of thousands of good people who only asked to live in peace at their old homes, and under the Government of their inheritance. Those are actual Americans he's talking about, not traitors. They don't want to go anywhere, they want to stay home - under the government they inherited, not some government of the slaveholders.

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As I said, that made his rape and murder acceptable.

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The US government certainly saw them as countrymen.

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You clearly don't, so why do you keep referring to them as such?

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So does that make the American Revolutionary War wrong?

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It certainly did to the losers, don't you think?

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his actions are completely understandable.

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Of course they are. His motivations were to end the war as quickly as possible so that fewer people would die. This was the exact same justification to drop the bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. "War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it" the best thing to do is do what it takes to end it as quickly as possible.

If you can't understand Sherman's actions, then you can't understand Truman's decision to drop the Bomb and be consistent.

“It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation. War is hell.”

Year 157 of the melt

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Really? Which northern state was the south trying to take over?

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None.

Now tell me how the Fugitive Slave Act in any way honored northern states' sovereignty. Southerners were allowed to go into northern states and kidnap people.

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Well, if they wanted to stay in the United States of America, then they could leave.

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They wanted to stay in their homes in America. That's where they were from. The were Americans. How would you feel if the state told you that in order to stay an American, you would have to leave your home? I'd tell them to get bent, and join up with any force that would fight to keep my home in my country.

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Well according to you, one’s nation is more important than one’s home.

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No, one's nation IS one's home. You're not much of an American, are you? My home is Baton Rouge, Louisiana, United States of America. I'm not willing to give up any part of that - especially not under threat of force.

William Tecumseh Sherman and Joe Burrow are the greatest LSU Tigers of all time

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Sherman did what it took to end the war quickly. Truman dropped the Bomb to end the war quickly. Both had devastating immediate effects, but were effective in preventing more deaths through extended warfare. They used the same motivations.

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The reason they dropped the bomb is because the Japanese were going to put a rifle, a bayonet, a spear, whatever conceivable weapon they could, in the hands of all their citizens should the Americans land on the big island. The south wouldn’t have done that and never alluded to doing that. The bombs were dropped because that invasion alone was said to potentially cost a million or more lives alone. The bombs were dropped because if they weren’t, and the American public found out about their existence after the invasion, there would be a massive shite storm in DC and rightfully so.

And guess what, Sherman’s Rape of Georgia didn’t end the war, it still continued afterwards.

And again, to reiterate this point, Sherman did it to people his own government considered to be citizens. LeMay and Doolittle and FDR and Truman did it to foreign nations that were bent on destroying the United States.

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It's bizarre that so many people would rather have had the whole thing fall apart at the end of the nineteenth century. That's why I don't think you're really being sincere.

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The civil war, and the actions taken by the tyrant Abraham Lincoln, sowed the seeds of the gross abuses of power from the centralized federal leviathan we see today.