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re: Is October when the bottom falls out of the market?

Posted on 10/2/22 at 8:36 pm to
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 10/2/22 at 8:36 pm to
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If Core CPI m/m comes in weak enough to allow .5 from the Fed Nov. 2nd, then risk-on will explode (markets way up/dollar way down).


I disagree.

CPI is going to be surrounded by bad news. Q3 earnings being down, GDP being down (again... maybe this time they'll actually call it "a recession"), Unemployment going up (again), Durable Goods being down (again), etc. If MoM CPI is flat, we could see a market bounce but that's about it. If it's up, even another .1, the market takes it hard because that is just one more point to push the Fed to an increase of at least .5.
Posted by BarleyPop
Member since Nov 2016
702 posts
Posted on 10/2/22 at 9:41 pm to
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I disagree.

CPI is going to be surrounded by bad news. Q3 earnings being down, GDP being down (again... maybe this time they'll actually call it "a recession"), Unemployment going up (again), Durable Goods being down (again), etc. If MoM CPI is flat, we could see a market bounce but that's about it. If it's up, even another .1, the market takes it hard because that is just one more point to push the Fed to an increase of at least .5.


I'm torn between being polite vs being direct. If this were a face to face conversation I would smile and nod and let you say your opinions and then change the subject to something you knew more about or something I knew less about. But, given the anonymous message board format, i will just tell you bluntly:

Core m/m CPI. None of that other crap matters in the least. Not one tiny bit. If it comes in at .3 or less, there will be a huge relief rally. This is not an opinion that requires debate. It is a fact.

If we get .3 (probably even .4) or less and no nukes, the Dow will be up 1000s of points from its current position.

*another concern is Credit Suisse, but I don't believe they are collapsing between now and then.

Get that acceptable m/m core in 2 weeks, followed by fed .5 in Nov and Dec, followed by .25 in '23 then pause, and everything's good with the world. Until $120 oil hits again. And it will without another SPR release.
Posted by Thundercles
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 1:11 am to
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Bard


I'm more in your point of view. I think the Fed has fully realized how much they fricked up by not raising rates faster sooner. Jerome Powell has plainly stated they will continue to raise rates until people start losing jobs en masse. Even slightly less inflation doesn't put us any close to their actual goal yet. Slowing down would just encourage the markets, which is exactly what he doesn't want.

Along with Terrible Q3 earnings and GDP being released. I put no faith in the job numbers as the administration is fabricating them to hide the true depth of the looming disaster
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