re: Herm Edwards is out as ASU's head football coach

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Right but Arizona St should be much more solid than that

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Should they though? I know that's the general consensus, and they're always mentioned in the occasional "sleeping giant" threads, but they haven't been much more solid than that since the Frank Kush era in the 70s.

Bruce Snyder obviously was seconds away from a national championship, but he was a little over .500 aside from that special '96 season.

Dirk Koetter was considered a promising young coach from Boise, but he could never get over the hump and finished 6 games over .500.

Dennis Erickson was an established, successful coach at multiple programs, but fizzled out quickly after a good first season. He went exactly .500 at ASU.

Todd Graham was poached from Pitt and was considered a good hire, despite being a douchebag. After a couple of 10-win seasons, he went 18-20 over his final three.

Herm was an unusual hire, but he basically performed at the same level ASU has been historically. I'm not sure who they turn to now to change that.