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re: Somebody Explain The Potential Rail Strike
Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:06 pm to finkle
Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:06 pm to finkle
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In my area, we have two pools going east out of KC, we have between 60-70 guys on these two boards, only 4 a day are allowed to layoff with a single VAC or PLD day. So, if you need off for any reason, only recourse is to layoff "non-compensated" which eats into those points. **The biggest point I need to stress here, is road crews have NO ASSIGNED DAYS OFF, that is correct, other then scheduled VAC or PLDs I am on call 24/7/365, birthdays/holidays/weekend/EVERYDAY**
Perhaps I am more mentally challenged than you anticipated because I still don’t understand most of what you just wrote.
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Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:30 pm to Lightning
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Perhaps I am more mentally challenged than you anticipated because I still don’t understand most of what you just wrote.
I'll try to do a better job for you and him both.. pools are boards of people.. I'll use where i work to best describe.. in Beaumont we have an East pool and west pool. East pool brings trains to Livonia, la from Beaumont, tx and West pool brings trains from Beaumont,tx to Houston,tx. Livonia and Houston are what we call away from home terminals. We stay in a hotel at those places anywhere from 10 hours when we're rested or until the next train is ready which could be over a 24 hour span of staying in the hotel. A VAC or PLD as he wrote assuming you knew what they were are a single vacation day or personal leave day. It's hard for us the get them on the day of. Most times we have to try to schedule a single day at least 4 days in advance if a slot is even available. Most of the time they are already filled up. These days are a paid day off.. now if we are unable to take a paid day off we can layoff (call in) sick which is not a paid day and you are docked so many points. After so many points in a 90 day span we are sent to investigation and wrote up and put on a probationary period. Layoffs on weekends and holidays are more points than the regular week but they add up really fast. Road crews are the pool boards that go from point a to point b stay the night and then go from point b back to point a(point a being home). Usually gone between 2-4 days at a time depending the location and back home between 10-24 hours before being called back out. We have no set schedule and work on call. We're subject to get a call as soon as 10 hours after clocking out(tying up). Once we get called to work, depending on the location, we have anywhere from an hour and a half to 3 hours to be at work. Hope that helped a little more.
This post was edited on 9/13/22 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 9/13/22 at 9:36 pm to Lightning
"Perhaps I am more mentally challenged than you anticipated because I still don’t understand most of what you just wrote."
We get this a lot, lingo and sayings that don't translate.
Road jobs, moving trains cross country are called "pool turns", and almost always work on call, with no scheduled days off. My example, I will take a train from Argentine Yard, KS to Galesburg, IL, that 281 miles. It's a great trip if I actually make it under that 12 hours, if not, we either secure the train, or a relief crew comes out to relieve us... Then ot the "Away from Home Terminal", the RR puts us up in a local hotel and we federal rest out, so we can perform service back to home terminal, this rest must be 10 hours undisturbed... my last trip i laid at the hotel 25.5 hours, we do go on held asaw pay after 16 hours. I had a 1130 trip home, So I was gone away from home for ~48 hours... The RR provides lodging and we get around $18 for a meal allowance after the 16th hour...
"60-70 guys on these two boards, only 4 a day are allowed to layoff with a single VAC or PLD day. So, if you need off for any reason, only recourse is to layoff "non-compensated" which eats into those points"
Here is the problem with this, those 4 days go to the seniority, you need the weekend to go johney baseball tourny, or your Daughters wedding and you weren't able to get pre-approved compensated time off, you had 30 points, a Fri/SAT/SUN just ate up 11 points, it will take you 6 weeks straight, of NO layoffs to earn those points back.
There are dozens of combinations on how to get dismissed with this policy, after 28 years of being in no trouble of any kind, one goofed up, unlucky week could find me terminated...
What we want, i predictable time off, more effort into running trains during windows or time frames so we can be rested...
I 100% guarantee you, half the trains running across this country tonight, have one or both crew members get a Suprise call for that train, not thinking they were going to work for 6-10 hour.... we've had several derailments in last couple of years were head ends of trains missed eash other by a few car lengths, statically, it's eventually going swing the other way...
We get this a lot, lingo and sayings that don't translate.
Road jobs, moving trains cross country are called "pool turns", and almost always work on call, with no scheduled days off. My example, I will take a train from Argentine Yard, KS to Galesburg, IL, that 281 miles. It's a great trip if I actually make it under that 12 hours, if not, we either secure the train, or a relief crew comes out to relieve us... Then ot the "Away from Home Terminal", the RR puts us up in a local hotel and we federal rest out, so we can perform service back to home terminal, this rest must be 10 hours undisturbed... my last trip i laid at the hotel 25.5 hours, we do go on held asaw pay after 16 hours. I had a 1130 trip home, So I was gone away from home for ~48 hours... The RR provides lodging and we get around $18 for a meal allowance after the 16th hour...
"60-70 guys on these two boards, only 4 a day are allowed to layoff with a single VAC or PLD day. So, if you need off for any reason, only recourse is to layoff "non-compensated" which eats into those points"
Here is the problem with this, those 4 days go to the seniority, you need the weekend to go johney baseball tourny, or your Daughters wedding and you weren't able to get pre-approved compensated time off, you had 30 points, a Fri/SAT/SUN just ate up 11 points, it will take you 6 weeks straight, of NO layoffs to earn those points back.
There are dozens of combinations on how to get dismissed with this policy, after 28 years of being in no trouble of any kind, one goofed up, unlucky week could find me terminated...
What we want, i predictable time off, more effort into running trains during windows or time frames so we can be rested...
I 100% guarantee you, half the trains running across this country tonight, have one or both crew members get a Suprise call for that train, not thinking they were going to work for 6-10 hour.... we've had several derailments in last couple of years were head ends of trains missed eash other by a few car lengths, statically, it's eventually going swing the other way...
This post was edited on 9/13/22 at 9:41 pm
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