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Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s
Posted on 8/25/22 at 4:47 am
Posted on 8/25/22 at 4:47 am
When you see the thievery of an election where corrupt politicians install imposters at positions of ultimate power. And when you see blatant misuse of taxpayer moneys for laundering to other countries or transferred to people who don’t deserve it,
Do you think it’s your moral obligation to pay your taxes? In other words, are you morally obligated to fund immoral leaders and immoral actions simply because pastors across the country have interpreted the verse reference in the title to mean we should blindly pay taxes regardless of motive?
Do you think it’s your moral obligation to pay your taxes? In other words, are you morally obligated to fund immoral leaders and immoral actions simply because pastors across the country have interpreted the verse reference in the title to mean we should blindly pay taxes regardless of motive?
Posted on 8/25/22 at 4:49 am to Padme
Its a sportsbook...they never lose
This post was edited on 8/25/22 at 4:50 am
Posted on 8/25/22 at 4:58 am to Padme
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simply because pastors across the country have interpreted the verse reference in the title to mean we should blindly pay taxes regardless of motive?
You don’t need a pastor to interpret it, Jesus said it. The Roman government wasn’t exactly great to Jewish people when he said it. Money was a government creation so the government has dominion over it. Intentionally not paying what you owe would be stealing, which would prevent you from the unimaginable riches of eternal life in heaven.
This post was edited on 8/25/22 at 5:03 am
Posted on 8/25/22 at 5:11 am to Padme
Joe is acting more like Caesar than a president
Posted on 8/25/22 at 5:15 am to Padme
That was the premise of the Tea Party. Those who have the authority to spend public funds need to be accountable to the taxpayers for every dollar spent.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 5:16 am to cssamerican
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Intentionally not paying what you owe would be stealing,
I disagree. The American government is stealing from its people. One cannot steal their own money from a thief.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 5:20 am to Masterag
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One cannot steal their own money from a thief
That puts it about as succinct as anything
Posted on 8/25/22 at 6:31 am to cssamerican
quote:I could not disagree more. No where in the Bible can it be interpreted that paying taxes is a salvation issue.
You don’t need a pastor to interpret it, Jesus said it. The Roman government wasn’t exactly great to Jewish people when he said it. Money was a government creation so the government has dominion over it. Intentionally not paying what you owe would be stealing, which would prevent you from the unimaginable riches of eternal life in heaven.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 6:34 am to cssamerican
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and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth
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and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth
We are Caesar.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 6:35 am to Padme
Modern taxation is legalized armed robbery.
So, no, there is no moral obligation .
So, no, there is no moral obligation .
This post was edited on 8/25/22 at 6:36 am
Posted on 8/25/22 at 6:36 am to cssamerican
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Intentionally not paying what you owe
Define the word “owe.”
Posted on 8/25/22 at 6:38 am to Padme
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Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s
Agree but everything ain't Caesar's
Posted on 8/25/22 at 6:45 am to cssamerican
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Money was a government creation so the government has dominion over it. Intentionally not paying what you owe would be stealing, which would prevent you from the unimaginable riches of eternal life in heaven.
False statement
Posted on 8/25/22 at 6:50 am to jimmy the leg
quote:Don't you just love it when people use the Bible and Jesus to defend a corrupt government? Jesus became VERY angry with the money changers in the temple. Imagine his thoughts of a government, using your tax dollars to push you AWAY from GOD.
Define the word “owe.”
Posted on 8/25/22 at 6:58 am to cssamerican
Jesus's statement does not presume a religious obligation to pay taxes. His response dismisses any heavenly implication of paying taxes to Caesar.
Posted on 8/25/22 at 8:31 am to Masterag
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I disagree. The American government is stealing from its people. One cannot steal their own money from a thief.
While am adamantly against paying what I feel is unfair taxes. It is there because voters put the people in place who passed them. The way to change that is through the election process.
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I could not disagree more. No where in the Bible can it be interpreted that paying taxes is a salvation issue.
If we refuse to pay the taxes we owe we are stealing from and most likely lying to the government. Intentionally stealing or lying repeatedly is a salvation issue. The Bible doesn’t say we can break those commandments if we feel just in doing so.
To further my point
Romans 13: 1-7
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Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. 6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. 7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.
This post was edited on 8/25/22 at 8:51 am
Posted on 8/25/22 at 9:19 am to cssamerican
There's a whole lot more to this onion than some individual's interpretation of his translated version of the Bible
Misunderstood NT passage (lewrockwell site version)
Misunderstood NT passage (lewrockwell site version)
Posted on 8/25/22 at 9:52 am to Knartfocker
That’s pretty long to say Jesus was answering the Pharisees challenge to his rabbinic authority rather than a blind loyalty to an oppressive government
Indeed God delivered the Israelites from tyrannical oppression, so to think God supports governmental corruption is a fallacy, and it seems to me that giving these nimrods all they want is itself a sin.
The point that “we” elected them is also BS, I mentioned that in the OP, if elections were fair, then I’d reconsider, but they are stolen much like our money, for corrupt and sinful dealings.
Lastly, was the Boston Tea party event immoral? Some say it led to the American Revolution, and was that immoral?
Indeed God delivered the Israelites from tyrannical oppression, so to think God supports governmental corruption is a fallacy, and it seems to me that giving these nimrods all they want is itself a sin.
The point that “we” elected them is also BS, I mentioned that in the OP, if elections were fair, then I’d reconsider, but they are stolen much like our money, for corrupt and sinful dealings.
Lastly, was the Boston Tea party event immoral? Some say it led to the American Revolution, and was that immoral?
Posted on 8/25/22 at 10:45 am to Padme
quote:Giving money to someone that you know will be used for immoral purposes, is in itself, immoral.
That’s pretty long to say Jesus was answering the Pharisees challenge to his rabbinic authority rather than a blind loyalty to an oppressive government
Indeed God delivered the Israelites from tyrannical oppression, so to think God supports governmental corruption is a fallacy, and it seems to me that giving these nimrods all they want is itself a sin.
The point that “we” elected them is also BS, I mentioned that in the OP, if elections were fair, then I’d reconsider, but they are stolen much like our money, for corrupt and sinful dealings.
Lastly, was the Boston Tea party event immoral? Some say it led to the American Revolution, and was that immoral?
The American Revolution was started over taxation without representation. Most of the founding fathers were deeply religious men. I'm guessing they interpreted "render unto Caesar quite a bit different than the guy telling us to fork it over, regardless if it's used for immoral purposes.
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