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re: For Those with Eyes to See...another peak inside the DeSantis/GOP Club closet.

Posted on 8/20/22 at 2:59 pm to
Posted by davyjones
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Posted on 8/20/22 at 2:59 pm to
Look, kudos for laying out your opinions on these topics rather well. I’ve much more often seen vehement critics of Trump and the array of issues for debate merely drop unremarkable one line talking points, but never come back to the call for further detail. So you stand out in that respect. That said, we agree on very little on these subjects.

The one thing I would say for the sake pf brevity, as I’m a dreaded “long poster,” is that in my view you’ve immensely oversimplified the response to covid by Trump issue. I mean, if we were given instructions to brainstorm and compile very relatively significant factor and consideration that would have been responsible to figure in, I sense that you would ignore or dismiss a bunch of very significant ones.

For instance, it’s not simply about what and how you now believe was the best set of actions throughout the thing, but moreover how to most efficiently get to the goal of convincing the majority of the country’s citizens that everything’s gonna be ok, you can go back out into society and participate in the all-important American economy in order to head back towards “normal”. The vast majority of people weren’t in your boat in that you had it all figured out pretty much right off. You were in the minority. And to have introduced what you believed to be right, to essentially dismiss all the claims of a very serious and even deadly pandemic….that approach would have instigated unbridled panic, extreme confusion and deep distrust, and then there’s no telling the grave consequences of that. So even if Trump may’ve agreed with many of your sentiments, it wasn’t actually viable in practice at that time. The President has more than just you and those similarly situated to consider.

By the way, exactly who was it that Trump should’ve up and dismissed the current people in favor of that would have nipped the thing in the bud?

***See, long posting bastard here. Told you.
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 3:03 pm
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 8/21/22 at 12:08 am to
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For instance, it’s not simply about what and how you now believe was the best set of actions throughout the thing, but moreover how to most efficiently get to the goal of convincing the majority of the country’s citizens that everything’s gonna be ok, you can go back out into society and participate in the all-important American economy in order to head back towards “normal”. The vast majority of people weren’t in your boat in that you had it all figured out pretty much right off. You were in the minority. And to have introduced what you believed to be right, to essentially dismiss all the claims of a very serious and even deadly pandemic….that approach would have instigated unbridled panic, extreme confusion and deep distrust, and then there’s no telling the grave consequences of that. So even if Trump may’ve agreed with many of your sentiments, it wasn’t actually viable in practice at that time. The President has more than just you and those similarly situated to consider.

You laid out precisely why I hold Trump accountable to a large degree.

First, it wasn’t a wild and crazy notion to not shut shite down everywhere because of a virus. In fact, it had never been done before.

Second, there was a political element to the Covid shitshow from Day 1. Properly dealt with, a leader could have kept enough of the country out of the ditch that it wouldn’t have been some small minority that kept their minds.

Third, the “convincing the country” argument you make is my argument in a nutshell. The President needs to be a leader. A president should be able to shape and rally. Trump has a large legion of supporters that would walk on glass for him. It wouldn’t have been tough for him to have a majority of Americans (his avid supporters, rational other conservatives, a few rational liberals, and a shitload of young people) on his side of the argument.
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