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House Buying Question

Posted on 8/16/22 at 6:54 pm
Posted by Fe_Mike
Member since Jul 2015
3702 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 6:54 pm
I am currently getting my primary residence (I own no other properties) prepped to put on the market. It was purchased in 2020 and I can now sell it for likely 50% ROI. I don’t have to sell, but it’s really hard to pass up on this return. Once it is under contract I plan to downsize such that the profit and current equity could pay for my next house in its entirety, but more likely be split between a down payment and market investments at some undetermined ratio (basically my question). My plan is to live in the next house until we find our “forever” home. May be in a year, may be in 3 or longer, who knows. Not in a rush but want to be able to act if/when we find something. Once we make that move to the forever home, I intend to keep the transition house as a long term rental property, as I need to diversify and have been wanting to get into real estate for a while.

I am an absolute novice in terms of tax implications on real estate investment property. More so on investment properties that start off as primaries. So looking for advice on how to handle this and what factors I should consider.

Ultimately, what kind of down payment should I make on the transition house. Obviously 20% will be minimum, but how much higher do I go? The idea of having a tiny mortgage and a mostly paid off house is nice, especially with the current rates and market uncertainty. Can I beat 5% right now? I’m probably not going to this year. Do I go for a 7 year mortgage?

But I really don’t know what tax implications I need to consider since I plan to rent the house eventually. Are there advantages to paying less now and carrying a mortgage once it’s a rental that I need to consider? Or paying it off once it isn’t my primary residence? I assume if I carry a mortgage, the lender will recast (is that the right term? Refinance? Throw it in the trash and start over?) the loan once it is no longer my primary - should I wait until then to really pay it down? Is it as simple as pay it off if I don’t think I can beat the rate in the market? Is the tax implication not even worth putting this much thought into?

My brain is telling me just to pay half, carry a small mortgage, invest the rest, call it a day. But my brain is often dumb and doesn’t know what it doesn’t know.

Yes I’m going to talk to my accountant but the minds of many are better than the minds of one. Especially the MB.

Yes I’m going to educate myself more better on real estate before I commit to these investments but the move is happening soon either way so no time for that now. I need the help of internet strangers to make large life decisions.

Thanks.


Posted by Tomatocantender
Boot
Member since Jun 2021
5578 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 8:24 pm to
Put 20% down and carry the mortgage. There is no shame in having a nice liquid stash off to the side. With Brandon and his clowns in office for at least another 2 plus yrs, you will have a mental and psychological advantage knowing you have cash liquidity no matter how extreme things get. And don't get suckered into all that Ray Dalio "cash is trash" talk. I go to bed better at night knowing I am liquid and can deploy it down the line if/when the time is right. Don't overshoot the mark, put you 20 down, avoid PMI and keep yourself liquid.
Posted by WhiskeyThrottle
Weatherford Tx
Member since Nov 2017
6955 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:04 pm to
quote:

Can I beat 5% right now? I’m probably not going to this year. Do I go for a 7 year mortgage?


I locked in today at 4.875% for what it's worth. No points bought down to get there. Best suggestion is to shop rates. Started out at 5.250%, found an option for 5.125, then got an offer for 4.875% with a $500 buydown from 5%.

Better.com seems to be about as competitive as they come. I gave Better's offer to Rocket Mortgage and they actually matched the rate without any buy down and waived the $500 buy down. Rocket is also offering a promo that if you refinance in the first 3 years they will waive closing costs. So if rates go down, you can refinance, if not, you at least got the lowest rate available for the 3 year period.

The house we bought is in the forever home territory although we're in our mid 30s so got a lot of life left to make other decisions.
Posted by DaBeerz
Member since Sep 2004
18303 posts
Posted on 8/16/22 at 10:38 pm to
Use other peoples money for the house and keep your own money.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
20486 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 7:28 am to
Check with your accountant and any rules your state may have on capital gains. I have multiple clients who rather than take capital gains on sale of property, roll it into the next purchase and defer the gain until that property sells.

By doing so they control the tax implications and have the ability to take gains in years that are better for them.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
35828 posts
Posted on 8/17/22 at 8:31 am to
Just remember your downsized home price will be inflated too so you’ll likely be bringing a check to closing when you sell that to move into your forever home. Not a reason to not do it. Just something to plan for.
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
6073 posts
Posted on 8/18/22 at 10:29 am to
sell it quick because prices are dropping quickly on homes in most areas.
Posted by cable
Member since Oct 2018
9735 posts
Posted on 8/18/22 at 2:01 pm to
quote:

prices are dropping quickly on homes in most areas.


are they? There is still is huge disparity between demand and supply for homes where I live. There haven't been many new homes built in the last 15 years and the town keeps growing in size. I don't see much changing - maybe some stabilization of prices - but I'm willing to bet that prices in my area will be up 20% over the next 5 years.

As to OP - if I sold and downsized - which I'd do - but if I moved into something smaller (if I could find one) - I'd have to part with at least $50k in costs and that's hard for me to swallow. If someone knocked on my door and said "here's $500k for your house" I'd move out the next day. The houses around me sell in about a day - I'm not paying a realtor that much money to do absolutely nothing.

This post was edited on 8/18/22 at 2:17 pm
Posted by TMFBB21
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2021
187 posts
Posted on 8/18/22 at 7:34 pm to
Not only are experts forecasting home prices will continue to appreciate nationwide this year, but most of them also actually increased their projections for home price appreciation from their original 2022 forecasts.?

Here are the current appreciation numbers:

Fannie Mae - 16%
Freddie Mac - 12.8%
NAR- 11.5%
Zelman 10%
HPES- 9.3%

Also historically, when the economy slows down, it doesn’t mean home values will fall. Four out of the last six recessions, home prices appreciated
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