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re: I still love Will Wade
Posted on 6/9/22 at 2:37 pm to ellessuuuu
Posted on 6/9/22 at 2:37 pm to ellessuuuu
quote:with zero research at all, Bobby Knight, Rick Pitino, and Brad Stevens jump to mind. I'm sure there are many, many, many other coaches who achieved big success within 9 years of their head coaching career.
Look at Cal, Tony Bennett, Jay Wright, Bruce Pearl, how many of those guys accomplished these things in the first 9 seasons as a HC?
At some point, you have to retire the "young coach" excuse. You just have to.
Am I'm still waiting for the number of years required as a head coach to retire that excuse. I'd say the first few years as a head coach, yea, a guy is learning how to be the head coach, with all that entails. But after a few years in, he should know what's going on. So I'd say after 3 years, he should know the drill.
And remember, most young head coaches have already been assistants for many years, so they've seen what's going on from the inside for a long time.
This post was edited on 6/9/22 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 6/10/22 at 5:02 pm to atltiger6487
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with zero research at all, Bobby Knight, Rick Pitino, and Brad Stevens jump to mind.
Bobby Knight
1965–66 Army 18–8 NIT Fourth Place
1966–67 Army 13–8
1967–68 Army 20–5 NIT First Round
1968–69 Army 18–10 NIT Fourth Place
1969–70 Army 22–6 NIT Third Place
1970–71 Army 11–13
1971–72 Indiana 17–8 9–5 T–3rd NIT First Round
1972–73 Indiana 22–6 11–3 1st NCAA Division I Final Four
1973–74 Indiana 23–5 12–2 T–1st CCAT Champion
Bobby Knight's trajectory closely resembles Wade's, with a stronger later years, reaching Final Four in year 8 and winning the Collegiate Commissioners Association Tournament in year 9. His better performance with the Hoosiers was possibly due to Indiana being a bigger name and not having the NCAA looking over his shoulder.
Rick Pitino
1978–79 Boston University 17–9
1979–80 Boston University 21–9 19–7 T–1st NIT Second Round
1980–81 Boston University 13–14 13–13 T–4th
1981–82 Boston University 19–9 6–2 4th
1982–83 Boston University 21–10 8–2 T–1st NCAA Division I Preliminary Round
1985–86 Providence 17–14 7–9 5th NIT Semifinal
1986–87 Providence 25–9 10–6 4th NCAA Division I Final Four
1989–90 Kentucky 14–14 10–8 T–4th* Ineligible*
1990–91 Kentucky 22–6 14–4 1st** Ineligible*
Pitino's trajectory is slightly better, as he reached Final Four with Providence in year 7 and making a famously sanctioned Kentucky team really good.
Brad Stevens
2007–08 Butler 30–4 16–2 1st NCAA Division I Round of 32
2008–09 Butler 26–6 15–3 1st NCAA Division I Round of 64
2009–10 Butler 33–5 18–0 1st NCAA Division I Runner-up
2010–11 Butler 28–10 13–5 T–1st NCAA Division I Runner-up
2011–12 Butler 22–15 11–7 T–3rd CBI Semifinal
2012–13 Butler 27–9 11–5 T–3rd NCAA Division I Round of 32
Well, no comparison here: six total years as a CBB coach and years 3 & 4 were losses in NCAAT final (and about an inch from winning in year 3.) That's one of the most impressive starts one can imagine.
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