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re: America has a father crisis.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:56 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 5/25/22 at 1:56 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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What if she doesn't do that either?
Well, if I’m forcing sterilization (as I had suggested) then she’s going to be forced to give up the child.
There won’t be a choice.
So her opinion is irrelevant. The government assistance that exists now needs to either be obsolete or have tougher parameters. It hasn’t helped society since it’s been instituted. I don’t wish harm upon any child, but the ‘parents’ of a lot of children aren’t taking any responsibility either.
And it’s just not poor people.
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Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:00 pm to HeadyMurphey
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A strong mother can fill the gap of a missing father.
How did this moron get so many upvotes?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:01 pm to VADawg
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Throw her arse in prison then. If she's popping out 19 kids and can't afford to take care of any of them, she should be imprisoned for child abuse
Then what happens to the children?
I'm just trying to understand you're apparent position of, "Take away their government assistance and just make them all wards of the state."
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:03 pm to GreenRockTiger
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then she’s going to be forced to give up the child.
To whom, the state?
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It hasn’t helped society since it’s been instituted.
Do you know for a fact that society would be better today if gov't assistance had never been instituted?
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:10 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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I'm just trying to understand you're apparent position of, "Take away their government assistance and just make them all wards of the state."
Yes, they would become wards of the state. Hell, they basically already are.
My idea would be to ultimately change the behavior of people who pop out a million kids that they can't afford. If you stop rewarding that behavior and punish it instead, maybe it wouldn't happen as much.
If you can't afford kids, don't have them. I've proposed an idea on this board before. Anyone who doesn't have children can get a one time, $20,000 cash payment to get snipped or tied. It is a 100% voluntary program. If the surgery is reversed, it comes from your pocket and your wages will be garnished at an absurdly high rate until that $20,000 has been paid back. If you are caught lying about not having any children before the surgery, automatic 25 year prison sentence.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:18 pm to VADawg
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If you stop rewarding that behavior and punish it instead, maybe it wouldn't happen as much.
Do you REALLY think you are going to get human beings to stop fricking? fricking, and year-round fertility, are survival mechanisms that have evolved in humans over millions of years. We frick. It's what we do - a LOT.
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If you can't afford kids, don't have them.
That has never worked anywhere on the globe. In fact, across the whole world, poor people are more likely to have children, and more children when they do, than rich people. Literally the opposite of what you're hoping would happen.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:20 pm to Slippy
Lyndon Baines Johnson
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:23 pm to Slippy
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:24 pm to Slippy
Its true.
Also, correlation between psychiatric drugs in children and violence. Just so we can mass school em.
Also, correlation between psychiatric drugs in children and violence. Just so we can mass school em.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:24 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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To whom, the state?
Yes
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Do you know for a fact that society would be better today if gov't assistance had never been instituted?
No but we have no way of knowing that, so that ‘what if’ is irrelevant
People were way worse off in the 1920s/1930s than they were in the 1960s - the older generation made it
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:26 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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That has never worked anywhere on the globe. In fact, across the whole world, poor people are more likely to have children, and more children when they do, than rich people
And suffer far worse outcomes. Thats why poor stay poor.
You think people would learn by now.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:27 pm to GreenRockTiger
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What if the mother just doesn't?
Then the child should be given up and the mother sterilized.
Or where is that village everyone is taking about instead of taking responsibility for your own actions
But not the father? Sterilizing males will help with the problem of unwanted children far more than sterilizing females- ask any farmer...
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:28 pm to GreenRockTiger
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People were way worse off in the 1920s/1930s than they were in the 1960s - the older generation made it
Correct, dependence on gubment has given poor people an out. They aren't independent, they're far more dependent than they've ever been.
They'll stay poor. They don't have the values to fix their own lives.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:29 pm to GreenRockTiger
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Do you know for a fact that society would be better today if gov't assistance had never been instituted?
No but we have no way of knowing that, so that ‘what if’ is irrelevant
It's not "irrelevant", it simply renders your statement, "it hasn’t helped society since it’s been instituted." invalid as you don't know if it's helped or not.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:33 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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It's not "irrelevant", it simply renders your statement, "it hasn’t helped society since it’s been instituted." invalid as you don't know if it's helped or not.
It does not render my statement invalid because we have plenty of evidence to show how government assistance has hurt society - so, generally speaking, if something hurts, it doesn’t help.
What would happen if we didn’t have it, is irrelevant because it’s here - and it’s harmful.
Have you ever worked in social services?
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:34 pm to PassingThrough
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Sterilizing males
Good luck with that. These people are proud of their numerous bastard progeny.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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America has a father crisis.
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People were way worse off in the 1920s/1930s than they were in the 1960s - the older generation made it
Correct, dependence on gubment has given poor people an out. They aren't independent, they're far more dependent than they've ever been.
They'll stay poor. They don't have the values to fix their own lives.
It is almost like people have no idea how gangs became prominent and wealthy....
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:36 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Do you REALLY think you are going to get human beings to stop fricking?
No, but you don't have to bust a nut inside the woman every time.
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In fact, across the whole world, poor people are more likely to have children, and more children when they do, than rich people
I do not give a shite about how it works in the rest of the world. In the USA, poor people have kids because they are paid to breed.
This post was edited on 5/25/22 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:38 pm to PassingThrough
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It is almost like people have no idea how gangs became prominent and wealthy....
Your druglords aren't exactly 80 IQ hoodrats. They're businessmen.
I support supplying market need.
Posted on 5/25/22 at 2:38 pm to PassingThrough
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It is almost like people have no idea how gangs became prominent and wealthy....
Being in a gang or being a member of the mafia is very similar to government assistance- it’s only for certain people.
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