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re: Is abortion murder?
Posted on 5/4/22 at 9:29 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 5/4/22 at 9:29 pm to Roger Klarvin
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That doesn’t change the reality of the system though.
But the system as you describe it is amoral; it's silly to pretend that there are objectively wrong behaviors, so why talk about murder? Why be upset about a hypothetical God that kills babies? There's no moral value assigned to passing on your genetic material, or infanticide or any other activity.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 9:36 pm to Flats
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But the system as you describe it is amoral; it's silly to pretend that there are objectively wrong behaviors, so why talk about murder? Why be upset about a hypothetical God that kills babies? There's no moral value assigned to passing on your genetic material, or infanticide or any other activity.
Of course there is no “objective” morality, because there can’t be such a thing. Such an idea is wholly inconsistent with literally everything we know about history and reality.
However, if we accept the system in which we live which DOES have objective parameters (and it does because many things are tangible and objective in our reality) then we absolutely can say that there are behaviors that are objectively more or less likely to lead to personal and group success within that system. And I firmly believe that abortion for convenience is objectively a net negative impact of overall human success and increases net suffering. The sheer volume of depression and poor life outcomes for those who get abortions is strong evidence in and of itself. A woman who has an abortion is something like 7x more likely to suffer from clinical depression than a woman who doesn’t, and depression objectively limits life success below what is maximal. And that’s just one aspect.
Now sure, if you’re a nihilist in the truest sense then nothing matters and we should just burn it down. I’m not going to pretend I have anything to offer such a person.
This post was edited on 5/4/22 at 9:37 pm
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