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Teachers want to be paid like professionals, as they have earned a college degree.

But they also want to be part of a union, like they are a tradesman.

Teachers want to be paid more... but they don't want to be paid based upon individual effort and results.

I'm willing to pay good teachers 6 figures for 10 months of work, if I can easily fire the crappy ones.

And guess what? Start paying the good ones really well, and magically, you will have more good ones.

That's about as good a post on education and teacher pay as you can get.

Now if we can just figure out a way to know who the good ones are...

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Posted by LSUFanHouston

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Posted on 3/14/22 at 1:08 pm to BigJim

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Now if we can just figure out a way to know who the good ones are...

The only way that will truly work is a value added metric.

Fifth grade teacher starts the year with 28 students in a classroom. Based upon how those 28 kids did, as a cohort, on fourth grade testing / grades, it can be predicted how that class will perform on fifth grade testing / grades.

If the cohort beats the prediction - great teacher, consider more pay and promotion to "better" classes

If the cohort meets the prediction - good teacher, pay average

If the cohort fails the prediction - potentially a bad teacher. First year, free pass. Second year in a row, additional training / work with a mentor teacher. Third year in a row, find a new position.

Teachers cannot be held responsible for the crap teaching the kids received prior, or the crap family environment, etc. They can only be held responsible for the value they add, compared to expectation.

We have now over 20 years of state testing data. We can do longitudinal analysis and predictive scoring. The tools are all there, just need to use them.

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