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Russia's pretense for invading Ukraine is more solid than Bush's for Iraq.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:27 am
Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:27 am
You may not like it, but accept it.
The CIA, neo-cons, and the Bush admin forged a huge lie to bring us to war. I bought it. May of you did as well at the time. But it was a lie. We're all older and wiser now. You know who isn't older and wiser? The 4000 American servicemen and women who died there, as well as the thousands of Iraqis.
The very same people who sold you the Iraq war as being necessary for American security have another lie they've cooked up: Ukraine is vital to American security.
It's a lie. This war between Russia and Ukraine is a tragedy, with many players at fault: Putin, Bush, NATO, Biden, Obama, the president of Ukraine, and many others. Its a shitshow and the main loser of it all is the Ukrainian people and soldiers on both sides.
Know what would make it an even bigger shitshow? American involvement.
I mean that in every sense. Even sending weapons into Ukraine right now is pushing it. History lesson for you: There is a very real argument to be made that America got involved in WW1 to protect the profits of American arms companies, as they had sold a shitton of weapons to France and Britain on credit. If the Entente lost, Browning and Colt wouldn't get their payments. I wonder how much globalist corporate money and equipment is loaned to Ukrainian companies and the government? There is a reason Republicans and conservative democrats made the UK pay in gold, up front for every American bullet they bought from us. Now we have again forgotten that lesson.
Some supposedly 'adult' voices like Adam Kitzinger are even calling for a no-fly zone over Ukraine, saying that will help the situation. That argument doesn't even make it past the first question. If a no-fly zone means an American F-22 is flying into Ukrainian airspace and shoots down a Russian MiG, then Russia fires a SAM and downs the American fighter, do we escalate? Congrats, we are now at direct war with Russia. Over Ukraine, a country that until 1991 had never once existed before.
The craziness of the propaganda is reaching insane levels. Where one nazi flag in Canada or America means everyone who was at a protest is a servant of Hitler, an entire BRIGADE of paramilitaries using a nazi insignia can't be nazis because they're fighting separatists in the Donbas. What? There are 100s of other examples. Oh, and its all Trump's fault, because reasons.
Anyone jonesing for American involvement in Ukraine: Here is the link to help you join the Ukrainian Foreign Volunteer Brigade. Have fun.
The CIA, neo-cons, and the Bush admin forged a huge lie to bring us to war. I bought it. May of you did as well at the time. But it was a lie. We're all older and wiser now. You know who isn't older and wiser? The 4000 American servicemen and women who died there, as well as the thousands of Iraqis.
The very same people who sold you the Iraq war as being necessary for American security have another lie they've cooked up: Ukraine is vital to American security.
It's a lie. This war between Russia and Ukraine is a tragedy, with many players at fault: Putin, Bush, NATO, Biden, Obama, the president of Ukraine, and many others. Its a shitshow and the main loser of it all is the Ukrainian people and soldiers on both sides.
Know what would make it an even bigger shitshow? American involvement.
I mean that in every sense. Even sending weapons into Ukraine right now is pushing it. History lesson for you: There is a very real argument to be made that America got involved in WW1 to protect the profits of American arms companies, as they had sold a shitton of weapons to France and Britain on credit. If the Entente lost, Browning and Colt wouldn't get their payments. I wonder how much globalist corporate money and equipment is loaned to Ukrainian companies and the government? There is a reason Republicans and conservative democrats made the UK pay in gold, up front for every American bullet they bought from us. Now we have again forgotten that lesson.
Some supposedly 'adult' voices like Adam Kitzinger are even calling for a no-fly zone over Ukraine, saying that will help the situation. That argument doesn't even make it past the first question. If a no-fly zone means an American F-22 is flying into Ukrainian airspace and shoots down a Russian MiG, then Russia fires a SAM and downs the American fighter, do we escalate? Congrats, we are now at direct war with Russia. Over Ukraine, a country that until 1991 had never once existed before.
The craziness of the propaganda is reaching insane levels. Where one nazi flag in Canada or America means everyone who was at a protest is a servant of Hitler, an entire BRIGADE of paramilitaries using a nazi insignia can't be nazis because they're fighting separatists in the Donbas. What? There are 100s of other examples. Oh, and its all Trump's fault, because reasons.
Anyone jonesing for American involvement in Ukraine: Here is the link to help you join the Ukrainian Foreign Volunteer Brigade. Have fun.
This post was edited on 3/3/22 at 11:55 am
Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:30 am to cokebottleag
Water is more solid than Bush's pretense for going to Iraq
Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:30 am to cokebottleag
poor poor trump always gets everything blamed on him.

Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:30 am to cokebottleag
quote:
Russia's pretense for invading Ukraine is more solid than Bush's for Iraq.
So?
Neither invasion is/was justified.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:31 am to cokebottleag
I just assume we are in a world war. Sides have been established, even here in the US society. Most countries have civil issues and divide. The US is the bad guy intervening in other countries. Other countries have mass genocide and human rights violations, but even we do in large cities like Chicago.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:31 am to cokebottleag
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The 16,000 American servicemen and women who died there,
What?
Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:33 am to momentoftruth87
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Other countries have mass genocide and human rights violations, but even we do in large cities like Chicago.
So Bloods & Crips shooting each other is considered genocide now?
Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:34 am to Wtodd
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Water is more solid than Bush's pretense for going to Iraq
Iraq was in violation of over a dozen UN ceasefire resolutions in place after the first Gulf War, some pretty serious ones. The US had every right to go back in.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:35 am to Seldom Seen
Yeah given that Bush straight up lied about WMD
Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:36 am to UcobiaA
To be honest it’s more than 16k including post war, the aftereffects are much worse than our hard “initial” casualties. Aka suicide and passing from other factors or war related wounds.
But you’re not wrong as it was much less than 16k.
But you’re not wrong as it was much less than 16k.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:36 am to deeprig9
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Iraq was in violation of over a dozen UN ceasefire resolutions in place after the first Gulf War, some pretty serious ones.
And none of this was the reason; bc they supposedly had WMDs which EVERY real expert disputed.
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The US had every right to go back in.
No we didn't
This post was edited on 3/3/22 at 11:38 am
Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:39 am to TexasForever
When the government does nothing and let’s people out for cash bail to do more harm to society? Absolutely.
Let’s not discuss them forcing a vaccine we know nothing, long run, about.
Let’s not discuss them forcing a vaccine we know nothing, long run, about.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:41 am to Wtodd
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And none of this was the reason; bc they supposedly had WMDs which EVERY real expert disputed.
Iraq could have dispelled this myth pretty easily by allowing the UN inspectors into the suspect facilities, as they had already agreed to as part of the cease fire. Saddam told the world to frick off. What was the world supposed to think?
Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:42 am to momentoftruth87
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When the government does nothing and let’s people out for cash bail to do more harm to society? Absolutely.
Massive stretch. Not genocide.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:44 am to deeprig9
W is a POS as is everyone in his inner circle/cabinet. There was no legit pretext to invade. Saddam was a POS murdering thug but neither Iraq nor Saddam had anything to do with 9/11 or had WMDs. W should have been tried for treason and war crimes.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:44 am to Indefatigable
Fair, I think we both know what I’m saying in defense of my initial argument. I’ll accept it’s not genocide. Hard not to call them out though with their lack of concern and increasing numbers.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:45 am to cokebottleag
You cant debate and think critically about this situation without some lib hacktivist running onto the thread to call you a Putin shill.
Debate is no longer allowed.
Debate is no longer allowed.
Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:47 am to cokebottleag
"No! Truth is not allowed; only propaganda!"
- Filthy leftists, war mongerers and Hannity conservatives
- Filthy leftists, war mongerers and Hannity conservatives
Posted on 3/3/22 at 11:47 am to Wtodd
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W is a POS as is everyone in his inner circle/cabinet.
K
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There was no legit pretext to invade.
Repeated, daily violations of the United Nations cease fire agreement is not a "legit pretext"? Do you even know what the word "legit" or "pretext" mean?
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Saddam was a POS murdering thug but neither Iraq nor Saddam had anything to do with 9/11
9/11 wasn't the reason for invading Iraq.
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or had WMDs
Saddam tried like hell to make everyone in the world think he did, by kicking out inspectors. Again, in violation of the cease fire agreement.
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W should have been tried for treason and war crimes.
K
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