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So let me get this straight: Putin is not arrogant enough to use a nuke on a battalion or town, but is somehow arrogant enough that if we don’t stop him here that he’s going to take Poland and the rest of Europe? Have yall actually thought your positions through at all, because Putin is much less likely to get nuked wiping out an entire Ukrainian battalion using a MOAB or a nuke than he is invading Poland.

There is a lot of stupidity to unravel in this post.

1st Putin isn't going to use tactical nukes in Ukraine. That would change the strategic calculus immediately. Hey may bluster and threaten, but he's not going to do it.

2nd. At this point, I do not think Russia has the combat ability to take on any further countries. There is zero chance he will push beyond Ukraine. This war has shown to anyone paying attention (except maybe Lima) that NATO would mop the floor with Russia. Russia would lose most of its air force and probably most of its navy within the first 48 hours.

3rd Do you understand the limited scale of a MOAB or Tactical nuke strike? Both impact a relatively small area and wouldn't wipe out a battalion on the battlefield. Not unless they were all standing in the same field when it hit. Using MOABs and tactical nukes will not result in any significant battlefield advantage due to their limited impact areas. The front is over 1000km long...a couple of kilometers doesn't make much difference. I believe a tactical nuke would hurt Russia far more than it would help.

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Posted by Lima Whiskey

Member since Apr 2013

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Posted on 5/21/24 at 6:07 pm to Chromdome35

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This war has shown to anyone paying attention (except maybe Lima) that NATO would mop the floor with Russia

I don't think serious people would agree with you, and I don't mean to be too glib but our conventional war fighting skills have atrophied over the last twenty plus years, and our equipment is not showing up well in Ukraine, and the Russians have specifically designed their equipment to frustrate ours, their dominance in the field of jamming for example would just play havoc with the way we expect to operate. I think it would be mess. Man for man the Russians are now more experienced than we are too.

And then you get into the issue of sustaining the war. We have expeditionary armies that are designed to fight short high intensity conflicts. We'd run out of everything from spare parts to artillery ammunition trying to fight a serious conventional war.

I think it would be a shite show.

This post was edited on 5/21/24 at 6:17 pm

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Posted by OMLandshark

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Posted on 5/21/24 at 6:14 pm to Chromdome35

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There is zero chance he will push beyond Ukraine.

Well tell that to the rest of the thread that have insistently said that not stopping Putin here would be like not stopping Germany in 1938.

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Do you understand the limited scale of a MOAB or Tactical nuke strike?

Yes I do, and that’s the point. It’s limited in scope, will kill a shite ton of soldiers, and allow Russia’s army to bulldoze past the impact site. The US isn’t going to nuke Moscow over that.

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