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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 5/6/24 at 5:44 pm to
Posted by No Colors
Sandbar
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 5/6/24 at 5:44 pm to
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Poland will join them in sending troops into Ukraine.


This is the most consequential change that I have seen in the past 6 months. France and Poland have basically come out and said: "We're not gonna let Russia win."

There's a good chance they're in this thing 12-15 months from now.

And I think the 6 month "delay" from Washington really had its effect of making Europe realize that this was fundamentally their problem. We can help. But it's their backyard and they will have to lead the way.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 5/6/24 at 7:18 pm to
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This is the most consequential change that I have seen in the past 6 months. France and Poland have basically come out and said: "We're not gonna let Russia win."


The big change in the last six months is really just France.

Poland, the Baltic nations, Denmark, Finland, Czechia, the Netherlands, and the UK were really already all-in. The war has become existential for them. They've now invested so much in Ukraine that they can't afford to lose.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
878 posts
Posted on 5/6/24 at 8:30 pm to
Europe had been lulled into a post-Cold War/Soviet complacency, which also changed their internal political paradigms: the enemy was thought to be "immigrants inside their countries," rather than anything external, and that led to a rise of far-right nationalists (Le Pen in France, Kaczynski in Poland...) they've been shaken out of that...

Though, as if Poland's hatred of Russia was not enough to fire them up about this, millions of Ukrainian refugees would be an extra bit of Putin screwing their economy.

For years, though, people have projected that with Germany's demographic decline zapping their power Poland would take their place in Central Europe as the leading country, and when the UK exited the EU France would take even more of a leadership role.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 5/6/24 at 9:51 pm to
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This is the most consequential change that I have seen in the past 6 months. France and Poland have basically come out and said: "We're not gonna let Russia win."


Don’t take Macron seriously.
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