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Is it the guns or the person?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:43 pm
Simple enough huh?
I mean, these putrid fricks are determined to go down in a blaze.
Wouldn't it make since the person is the problem?
So, what made the person? Did the gun make the person?
I mean, these putrid fricks are determined to go down in a blaze.
Wouldn't it make since the person is the problem?
So, what made the person? Did the gun make the person?
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:44 pm to loogaroo
the person, and not just a person who you can write off as crazy
kids.
stop the crazy kid from getting a gun, but the kid is still off his fricking rocker wanting to kill people.
kids.
stop the crazy kid from getting a gun, but the kid is still off his fricking rocker wanting to kill people.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:47 pm to loogaroo
Well, let's say this guy couldn't get a gun but was determined to do something like this. He could easily kill 17+ people just going on a rampage in the parking lot with his car/truck when school lets out.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:48 pm to DelU249
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kid is still off his fricking rocker wanting to kill people.
I would imagine training with paramilitary nazi wackos may have had some influence
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:50 pm to narddogg81
And if that happened then nobody would have a problem with barricades. But let someone suggest having your rifle shoot less rounds and you lose your minds.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:51 pm to ShreveportHog94
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And if that happened then nobody would have a problem with barricades.
And if he builds a bomb?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:54 pm to DelU249
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stop the crazy kid from getting a gun
If you can know the future, that would be a a good argument. Otherwise, you might infringe on the rights of someone that shouldn’t be so infringed. Who are you to decide and based on what parameters?
Instead, you need to focus on how to get a gun in the hands of a good person pointed at the bad guy as soon as possible when the bad guy tries to start something. The easiest and cheapest way to do that is to allow, and even encourage, all responsible gun owners to do what they already want to do, carry their gun for just this reason. Designating “gun free zones” just stops the good guys, not the bad guys.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:54 pm to Centinel
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And if he builds a bomb?
what if he designs his own rocket and launches it from the backyard of his home?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:54 pm to loogaroo
Really simple.
Guns don't have a soul and therefore banning them will simply enable the actor to find another method to carry out his lunacy. Ban guns, stabbings will increase.
Guns don't have a soul and therefore banning them will simply enable the actor to find another method to carry out his lunacy. Ban guns, stabbings will increase.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:54 pm to ShreveportHog94
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what if he designs his own rocket and launches it from the backyard of his home?
How about you address my question?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:55 pm to gamatt53
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I would imagine training with paramilitary nazi wackos may have had some influence
Wait, you took that seriously?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:56 pm to Centinel
How about you address mine?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 2:57 pm to loogaroo
It's the kids.
That said, we need to recognize the extent to which kids may fantasize specifically about committing gun atrocities. While it is definitely true that the kid may be able to pull of an equal or bigger body count with a vehicle, I don't think it's merely the loss of life these people are after.
They want the video game experience (I'm not blaming games). They want to kill people with their cool tactical shite. Killing people with a box truck probably doesn't achieve the same glory in their mind, and it would be silly for gun owners not to key in on that distinction as we deal with the increasing pressure on gun rights.
That said, we need to recognize the extent to which kids may fantasize specifically about committing gun atrocities. While it is definitely true that the kid may be able to pull of an equal or bigger body count with a vehicle, I don't think it's merely the loss of life these people are after.
They want the video game experience (I'm not blaming games). They want to kill people with their cool tactical shite. Killing people with a box truck probably doesn't achieve the same glory in their mind, and it would be silly for gun owners not to key in on that distinction as we deal with the increasing pressure on gun rights.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:01 pm to gamatt53
quote:sane people train with paramilitary Nazi wackos and then become crazy? or do lonely people do that?
I would imagine training with paramilitary nazi wackos may have had some influence
shocking, but people who are isolated and lonely will go anywhere that offers them validity and acceptance when there are no alternatives.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:27 pm to Pettifogger
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This post was edited on 5/27/23 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:29 pm to ShreveportHog94
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How about you address mine?
My example has happened multiple times. Yours hasn't.
So what happens when the kid uses a bomb? What is your answer?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:31 pm to loogaroo
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Is it the guns or the person?
When it comes to gun laws/regulations, I'm a strict scrutiny standard guy the 2nd Amendment's very clear, you lawyers and law students will know what that means
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:38 pm to ThePTExperience1969
Agree completely.
It’s the person. A gun can’t operate by itself, just like a car or anything mechanical. A human has to be involved somehow to make it work.
Guns aren’t the problem.
It’s the person. A gun can’t operate by itself, just like a car or anything mechanical. A human has to be involved somehow to make it work.
Guns aren’t the problem.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:52 pm to DelU249
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you can argue he went back to the school that expelled him for some tactical advantage, but I sincerely doubt that's the case. if a kid wanted to kill people with cool tactical shite, there wouldn't be such an obvious personal component to the crime.
I don't see why we're talking about them being mutually exclusive.
My point is that I don't think you can simply cast off the gun angle by saying it could be accomplished via different means. I think you're saying that too, to some extent. Gun violence probably has, I'm guessing, some euphoric impact that more utilitarian violence may not.
I also think that between Vegas and this incident, we're seeing guys entrenched in gun culture who want to use that background to commit their atrocities.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 3:55 pm to Pettifogger
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we're seeing guys entrenched in gun culture
What is "gun culture"?
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