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Immigration destroyed the Roman Empire. Now it could bring down Europe

Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:04 am
Posted by djmed
Member since Aug 2020
4023 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:04 am
Immigration destroyed the Roman Empire. Now it could bring down Europe

It seems that social media has unearthed yet another dirty secret about the common male: they think about the Roman Empire far more than the fairer sex ever dreamed. With more than 10,000 migrants arriving on the Italian island of Lampedusa in a single week – a figure which dwarfs the island’s resident population of 6,000 – it’s not just men who are beginning to feel as though we’re living through the Fall of Rome 2.0. While the Romans were swamped by barbaric German hordes, ageing modern Europe might be sunk by too many millions of people seeking to participate in the high living standards and guaranteed incomes afforded by the European system
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The root of our modern immigration problem lies at the intersection of demography and institutions. In 1950, the population of Europe was about 550 million, while the population of Africa was 220 million. Today, the population of Europe is 750 million, while Africa’s surges towards 1.5 billion. The Middle East has witnessed similar levels of population growth in recent decades. This is no one’s fault: Europe’s population went through a similar ballooning phase 100 years ago and it’s simply what happens when modern medicine and technology are introduced to a society. In the long run, the populations of Africa and the Middle East will plateau, just like Europe’s did. But in the short run, this will put enormous pressure on Europe’s ability to cope.

While we cannot control demography, institutions and policy offer a little more hope, at least in theory. The European Union was cemented during the neoliberal euphoria of the later 1980s and 90s, before the demographic changes south and east of Europe became quite so apparent. In hindsight, it seems ridiculous that a country would sign away its ability to police its borders, at the same time that it was effectively required to provide lifelong healthcare and welfare benefits to anyone who managed to claw their way ashore – and their extended family besides.

Given the fact that the lands south and east of the EU have decades to go before their GDPs reach European levels, it behoves us to give our immigration policies a good hard think.

But if, as Douglas Murray and others have warned, woke bureaucrats continue to see this as a question of knuckle-dragging racism and xenophobia rather than what it truly is – a question of living standards and the inescapable practicality of shared values for ordering a society – then it is only a matter of time before our own populations decide that the price we pay for civilisation simply isn’t worth it anymore.

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Posted by Gifman
Clearwater Beach, FL
Member since Jan 2021
18728 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:07 am to
Common Language
Protected Border
Common Culture

You need all three to be a thriving country and all three are being diluted very fast.

Posted by UcobiaA
The Gump
Member since Nov 2010
4250 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:12 am to
Saw a video about Lampedusa yesterday. The immigrants have already started blocking roads and dividing the island into territories.

I'm sure it will all end peacefully.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
13734 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:12 am to
Uh, not just Europe dude.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
40209 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:15 am to
And they won’t do a thing about it.


Sadly, neither will we.
Posted by TigerB8
End Communism
Member since Oct 2003
11069 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:15 am to
Easier to consolidate nations under a one world gov't if they don't have a "nationality" or "national pride".
Dilute all nations and then consolidate under 1 world gov't that is run on the surface by United Nations, but controlled by CIA/Feds.
Posted by Luke
1113 Chartres Street, NOLA
Member since Nov 2004
14297 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:37 am to
You mean destroy America?
Posted by Antoninus
Ravenna
Member since Sep 2023
1089 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:41 am to
quote:

Common Language
Protected Border
Common Culture

You need all three to be a thriving country and all three are being diluted very fast.
Switzerland
Posted by Pookers
Member since Jun 2021
1008 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:41 am to
Magic dirt doesn't exist and never has.
Posted by donut
Face, USA
Member since Jan 2004
3227 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:48 am to
The way the US has ignored its border in the last decade have made the similarities between Ancient Rome and modern America more relevant.

The city of Rome was founded as a settlement that was made up of many different ethnicities, a melting pot, if you will. 600 years later, in the 200's A.D. Germanic/Barbaric tribes and other groups were pushed westward into roman territory in western Europe. The Roman military had to pay and enlist Germanic/Barbaric peoples to fight against other "invading" tribes. This payment often came in the form of land. Give the Franks land for helping to fight the Visigoths, give the Visigoths land to fight the Burgundians etc...

By the 400's Rome's army looked different with Germanic/Barbaric chieftains ruling as "Master of the Soldiers" and the empire giving most of its land in Western Europe away with only Italy left as still being exclusively ruled by Romans. In fact two of the most powerful figures to hold the title of "Master of the Soldier" were Ricimer and Gundobad, both known as men of Germanic/Barbaric descent that were Romanized. Getting land in Italy was the eventual goal of Odovacer who eventually told Rome he and his men would help if they gave him land in Italy. He was told no and invaded a weakened Italy and Rome. In the end Rome was not able to properly manage it's borders and those individuals settling in Roman lands became the very people running the military and deciding policy on how to deal with the borders.
Posted by wmr
North of Dickson, South of Herman's
Member since Mar 2009
32518 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:51 am to
Europe was already multi-cultural before WW2. The problem some had was that it was European.

What is happening to Europe today proves the early 20th century fascists right. There is a nefarious force that seeks to undermine and destroy European nations.

Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45520 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:52 am to
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Immigration destroyed the Roman Empire. Now it could bring down Europe


Did any of the European countries reply to Italy’s recent call for help patrolling the Mediterranean?
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
17069 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 10:08 am to
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Immigration destroyed the Roman Empire. Now it could bring down Europe


And the US.
Posted by wmr
North of Dickson, South of Herman's
Member since Mar 2009
32518 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 10:09 am to
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While we cannot control demography, institutions and policy offer a little more hope, at least in theory.


uh....we can't?

WW2 was the death of Europe. Everything else has just been throes and twitching.

Once the globalists convinced everyone that nationalism was evil, the rest is just details.

A fundamental shift will need to take place in the average European mindset for anything to change the current course.
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