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re: What About Hawaii for the Pac-12?
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:38 am to carbola
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:38 am to carbola
All valid points. I just think that underneath all the obvious, they offer something that Lubbock, Stillwater, Pullman or Corvallis cant. Think about it, it may sound dumb, but playing in Honolulu Hawaii sounds pretty cool if im a recruit. Its a FACT that the PAC 12 schools are recruiting more and more kids from Hawaii and the American Samoas, playing Hawaii is a free recruiting trip.
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Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:39 am to Buckeye Backer
Makes sense if the OU/UT thing falls through. Nevada, Hawaii and New Mexico would all be good fits culturally.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:43 am to carbola
I think the Big 10 should add the University of Puerto Rico...travel shouldn't be an issue, they would get an island market. 
Plus, Hawaii is barely a State with their constant political push for independence/sovereignty and their 40% Asian population which is more connected to the Far East than the West.
Plus, Hawaii is barely a State with their constant political push for independence/sovereignty and their 40% Asian population which is more connected to the Far East than the West.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:47 am to Zamoro10
Seattle to Honolulu = 2339 miles
Seattle to Austin = 2138 miles
Seattle to Norman = 2055 miles
Seattle to Lubbock = 2003 miles
Like i said, when considering expansion, saying Hawaii it too far is an excuse. Its not much further then the schools being considered.
Seattle to Austin = 2138 miles
Seattle to Norman = 2055 miles
Seattle to Lubbock = 2003 miles
Like i said, when considering expansion, saying Hawaii it too far is an excuse. Its not much further then the schools being considered.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:50 am to Buckeye Backer
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Like i said, when considering expansion, saying Hawaii it too far is an excuse. Its not much further then the schools being considered.
Travel doesn't matter. What matters is that UH is nationally irrelevant, a school that refuses to invest in both the university and its athletics programs, creates an even larger time zone issue than the Pac-12 already has, and is an area that the Pac-12 already dominates in
It's really not that hard to understand
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:52 am to Zamoro10
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University of Puerto Rico
Come on everyone knows they are D-II and don't have football quote:
Since September 1, 2003 the Mayagüez campus competes as an independent university in the NCAA's Division II. It participates in men's basketball, baseball, cross country running, soccer, swimming, tennis, track (outdoor), volleyball and sport wrestling and in women's basketball, cross country running, swimming and tennis.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:58 am to carbola
The PAC 12 already plays when half the country isnt watching. Thats an excuse too. In fact, i think it would be more damaging and a burden for Texas Tech and Oklahoma St to have to play west and be subject to the time zone then it would for the current members to play Hawaii?
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:58 am to Buckeye Backer
you are the only one talking travel, the other reasons we have given for hawaii never getting into the pac still stand and you have no answer for them. just give it up.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 10:59 am to Buckeye Backer
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The PAC 12 already plays when half the country isnt watching. Thats an excuse too. In fact, i think it would be more damaging and a burden for Texas Tech and Oklahoma St to have to play west and be subject to the time zone then it would for the current members to play Hawaii?
You have no concept about what the very point of expansion is do you?
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:24 am to Buckeye Backer
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What About Hawaii for the Pac-12?
False, Hawaii actually has an undergound football base. They have a ton of local talent. Just check out the NCAA and NFL rosters and tell me that if Hawaii joined a bigger conference that they couldnt become a legit program.
The talent comes from Samoa, not Hawaii
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:30 am to coldhotwings
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There is a big gap in Hawaii academics and the Pac-12
It's not as big as you think. Current/potential Pac-16 members: (US News Rankings)
5) Stanford
21) Cal
23) USC
25) UCLA
42) UW
45) UT
90) Mizzou
94) CU
101) OU
101) Oregon
115) WSU
124) Ariz.
124) Utah
132) ASU
132) Okie St.
138) OSU
160) TT
164) Hawaii
181) Nevada
181) New Mexico
(Interesting that OU would instantly become a top-half academic school in the Pac-12.)
Hawaii has MUCH better academics than Boise State Community College, about up there with TT, which no one seems to have a problem with.
Besides, there aren't a whole lot of top academic schools with big-time sports programs that are out shopping for a home. If the Pac-12 is going to add, it's probably going to come from schools outside the top-100 in the rankings.
This post was edited on 9/19/11 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:37 am to Buckeye Backer
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True i guess, but Washington St brings no market!
Irrelevant, just like arguments that compare school X to Vandy are irrelevant. You don't add a school because "well, they are better than our worst school."
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:46 am to RockChalkTiger
Pac-12 does care about academics somewhat but TTU has things that Hawaii cannot offer which will be enough for Larry Scott to convince the Pac-12 presidents to allow their admittance. TTU is coming with OU, could bring Texas with them, and if Texas doesn't join the Pac due to the LHN, they still would offer the Texas market. What does Hawaii bring besides nice beaches?
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:47 am to Monticello
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Irrelevant, just like arguments that compare school X to Vandy are irrelevant. You don't add a school because "well, they are better than our worst school."
+1
If Vandy wasn't already in the SEC, there is no way they would be admitted.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:49 am to RockChalkTiger
Beaches are EXACTLY what Hawaii brings!!! Isnt that what Miami and USC use as well? Hawaii is a much better option then what some of you are giving them credit for. They arent terrible in academics, they made the top 200 list right behind some current PAC 12 members!! They are currently ranked #164 and have 20,337 student enrollment. Their football program historically (.571) is arguably better then half of the schools in the PAC 12. In the last 10 years Hawaii invested in their program...heck they totally rebranded their image and its worked. In the last 10 years Hawaii has had a really good underrated run!
2010 - (10-4)
2009 - (6-7) W Washington St
2008 - (7-7) W Washington St
2007 - (12-1) W Boise St, Washington
2006 - (11-3) W Purdue, Arizona St, L Alabama 25-17
2005 - (5-7)
2004 - (8-5) W Northwestern, Michigan St
2003 - (9-5) W ALABAMA
2002 - (10-4) W Cincinnati
2001 - (9-3) W BYU
2000 - (9-5) W Washington St, Boise St, Oregon St
Hawaii has beaten numerous BCS schools over the years and has only had two losing seasons in 10 years. What does Washington St bring to the table? They are every bit as good as a choice as some of the schools being thrown around on this board....Boise St, Houston, TT, OK St, K ST!
2010 - (10-4)
2009 - (6-7) W Washington St
2008 - (7-7) W Washington St
2007 - (12-1) W Boise St, Washington
2006 - (11-3) W Purdue, Arizona St, L Alabama 25-17
2005 - (5-7)
2004 - (8-5) W Northwestern, Michigan St
2003 - (9-5) W ALABAMA
2002 - (10-4) W Cincinnati
2001 - (9-3) W BYU
2000 - (9-5) W Washington St, Boise St, Oregon St
Hawaii has beaten numerous BCS schools over the years and has only had two losing seasons in 10 years. What does Washington St bring to the table? They are every bit as good as a choice as some of the schools being thrown around on this board....Boise St, Houston, TT, OK St, K ST!
This post was edited on 9/19/11 at 11:52 am
Posted on 9/19/11 at 11:58 am to Buckeye Backer
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Their football program historically (.571) is arguably better then half of the schools in the PAC 12
different competition
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In the last 10 years Hawaii invested in their program...heck they totally rebranded their image and its worked.
No they haven't. If they did, June Jones wouldn't have left them for SMU. It was June Jones's insistence that they drop Rainbow Warriors to become just the Warriors. Now he is at SMU which cares about football.
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In the last 10 years Hawaii has had a really good underrated run!
because of June Jones who is in Texas right now
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What does Washington St bring to the table?
You apparently totally ignored what Monticello wrote. Can't compare them to a team that is already in the Pac.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:04 pm to Buckeye Backer
Ok so what does Utah bring to the table then? Utah has a state population of 2.7 million. Hawaii has a state population of 1.3 Million. Utah's population is split between Utah, BYU and Utah State while Hawaii is all Hawaii plus American Samoa. Hawaii/Samoa is producing FAR more talent then the state of Utah and has sent many kids to the NCAA and NFL. Hawaii has been to 1 BCS game and Utah has been to 2. Why is Hawaii such a far reach to be a 16th member?
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:11 pm to Buckeye Backer
Again what has Utah done? Was Utah so willing to invest in their program? Why did Urban Meyer leave for Florida where they care about football? Same philosophy right? Utah brings nothing to the PAC 12 in reality! When comparing Utah-Hawaii, Hawaii has more upside in my opnion.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:16 pm to Buckeye Backer
Utah offers Salt Lake City TV market and a shorter distance to travel. The football talent is Utah is also better than that of Hawaii and is one of the top rising states in high school talent. Pac-12 schools get the best Hawaiian and Pacific Islander kids without Hawaii being in the Pac-12 anyway so there is no point in bringing in UH for talent.
Posted on 9/19/11 at 12:18 pm to Buckeye Backer
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Again what has Utah done? Was Utah so willing to invest in their program? Why did Urban Meyer leave for Florida where they care about football? Same philosophy right?
Right, Urban Meyer leaving Utah for the Florida Gators was a lateral move.
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