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re: Texas and the SEC
Posted on 9/17/11 at 2:10 pm to Ryan 11
Posted on 9/17/11 at 2:10 pm to Ryan 11
How about these (which any SEC fan knows from reading press and blog stories over the past 18 months or so):
They don't play well with others.
They insist that they are better than everyone else and because of that they will do whatever they can to stack any deck that's to be dealt, so that they get all the good cards.
They indeed are very scared that they would not be able to compete, week in, week out, against the finest competition in college football ... such that they would not have much hope of being in a BCS bowl (even when they're better than they were last year) but once in a decade or so.
They believe that because "WE'RE TEXAS," that by definition they were born on third base and are entitled to favorable treatment in every way possible.
From high atop their halos, they believe they are so far superior as an academic institution to every SEC school that joining the SEC would be for them as if they, with their PhDs, would be stooping far too low to have elementary school dropouts as their conference peers.
Finally, they are far too greedy to give up the espn deal, at least for any conference other than the B1G (if that).
They don't play well with others.
They insist that they are better than everyone else and because of that they will do whatever they can to stack any deck that's to be dealt, so that they get all the good cards.
They indeed are very scared that they would not be able to compete, week in, week out, against the finest competition in college football ... such that they would not have much hope of being in a BCS bowl (even when they're better than they were last year) but once in a decade or so.
They believe that because "WE'RE TEXAS," that by definition they were born on third base and are entitled to favorable treatment in every way possible.
From high atop their halos, they believe they are so far superior as an academic institution to every SEC school that joining the SEC would be for them as if they, with their PhDs, would be stooping far too low to have elementary school dropouts as their conference peers.
Finally, they are far too greedy to give up the espn deal, at least for any conference other than the B1G (if that).
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Posted on 9/17/11 at 2:10 pm to Baloo
quote:
The objections to the LHN have absolutely nothing about third tier TV rights.
Nothing.
Then there is no real objection to the LHN. It is perfectly allowavle under the bylaws then there is no possbile grounds for objecdtions. I gurnatee LSU, UF and Bama are all for the concept because if it works they are next. All the other petty complaints about the LHN are just an excuse to cover the fact the this is worth WAY more than everybody thought and people are pissed that it is a have and have not market.
If there are no legit complaints from the SEC bylaws then what is the exact issue?
Posted on 9/17/11 at 2:25 pm to laxtonto
Actually, it is against the rules. SEC Media rights, aside from the third tier football, is owned by the SEC Digital Network. Texas would not be able to use the LHN to broadcast its other sporting events on the LHN without violating SEC rules, were it a member.
Secondly, the LHN is one giant recruiting violation in my opinion. It's one of those things that is not against the rules yet because the NCAA never contemplated it, but will be as soon as they can craft the language.
Also, the way Texas has quickly pushed past what they said the LHN is just demonstrates an astonishing amount of bad faith. Just third tier rights? Oh, but we want to add CONFERENCE games. And then high school football? No? How about high school highlights? All branded with the UT logo!
I don't trust Texas. they said the LHN is one thing, and before it even aired, they had already reneged and changed the definition of what the LHN is. And their justification? "We do what's in our own best interest."
Well, that's fine. but if you want to act like an independent, BE AN INDEPENDENT. In a conference, you have to consider the interests of the other members -- your business partners.
The LHN violates SEC rules and its existing contracts, may violate NCAA rules in the near future, and on top of that, Texas lied to its current conference mates about what the content will be (LHN will air a Big 12 conference game, UT v. Kansas -- before the second tier broadcasters got to take a crack at the rights), which leads me to believe they will continue to try and aggressively expand it, pushing the boundaries of the rules and ethics.
I have no problem with an independent having a network like this. But a fellow conference mate? Absolutely not. It's so destructive, as we have seen. The fact Texas still insists on keeping the LHN no matter what shows how little commitment they have to any conference they join (provided they don't drop the LHN). Also, the fact Texas still does not understand that actions have consequences boggles my mind.
If every team in a conference is just looking out for themselves without any regard for the health of the conference and their overall partnership, then you do not have a conference. As we are seeing with the Big 12.
Secondly, the LHN is one giant recruiting violation in my opinion. It's one of those things that is not against the rules yet because the NCAA never contemplated it, but will be as soon as they can craft the language.
Also, the way Texas has quickly pushed past what they said the LHN is just demonstrates an astonishing amount of bad faith. Just third tier rights? Oh, but we want to add CONFERENCE games. And then high school football? No? How about high school highlights? All branded with the UT logo!
I don't trust Texas. they said the LHN is one thing, and before it even aired, they had already reneged and changed the definition of what the LHN is. And their justification? "We do what's in our own best interest."
Well, that's fine. but if you want to act like an independent, BE AN INDEPENDENT. In a conference, you have to consider the interests of the other members -- your business partners.
The LHN violates SEC rules and its existing contracts, may violate NCAA rules in the near future, and on top of that, Texas lied to its current conference mates about what the content will be (LHN will air a Big 12 conference game, UT v. Kansas -- before the second tier broadcasters got to take a crack at the rights), which leads me to believe they will continue to try and aggressively expand it, pushing the boundaries of the rules and ethics.
I have no problem with an independent having a network like this. But a fellow conference mate? Absolutely not. It's so destructive, as we have seen. The fact Texas still insists on keeping the LHN no matter what shows how little commitment they have to any conference they join (provided they don't drop the LHN). Also, the fact Texas still does not understand that actions have consequences boggles my mind.
If every team in a conference is just looking out for themselves without any regard for the health of the conference and their overall partnership, then you do not have a conference. As we are seeing with the Big 12.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 4:11 pm to Baloo
UF 3rd tier rights are with FSN-Sunshine network for about $10 mil per... I read LSUs is @ $7mil....
Difference is its regional unlike TUs....
Can't link rite now but I can be found on Google
Difference is its regional unlike TUs....
Can't link rite now but I can be found on Google
Posted on 9/17/11 at 4:24 pm to LUS Tiger in FL
All of these "Texas needs to be in control" and "texas doesn't want to share equally" comments are funny.
A&M and OU and every other conference memebr voted for the current Big 12 method of rev sharing and for schools to have control of their 3rd tier TV rights - non of these were unilateral Texas decisions for the conference.
As for Texas to the SEC, our Cal-alum President is hung up on being in the best conference possible in terms of academics. Nothing the fans/alums can do about it.
A&M and OU and every other conference memebr voted for the current Big 12 method of rev sharing and for schools to have control of their 3rd tier TV rights - non of these were unilateral Texas decisions for the conference.
As for Texas to the SEC, our Cal-alum President is hung up on being in the best conference possible in terms of academics. Nothing the fans/alums can do about it.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 4:28 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
quote:
A&M and OU and every other conference memebr voted for the current Big 12 method of rev sharing and for schools to have control of their 3rd tier TV rights - non of these were unilateral Texas decisions for the conference.
i suppose the conference volunteered to give texas more money than the rest of them?
Posted on 9/17/11 at 4:48 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
quote:
All of these "Texas needs to be in control" and "texas doesn't want to share equally" comments are funny.
Funny because it is true. That, and FUTEXAS is again, SCARED to play in the SEC.
Poor Vandy has an awful academic reputation (insert sarcasm). What about UGA, UF, and when aTm is added...not too shabby in terms of academics.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 5:13 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
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As for Texas to the SEC, our Cal-alum President is hung up on being in the best conference possible in terms of academics. Nothing the fans/alums can do about it.
Poor, poor, pitiful fans/alums.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 5:41 pm to johnnydrama
quote:
i suppose the conference volunteered to give texas more money than the rest of them?
In a lot of years, OU has made more $ than Texas in conf TV revenue.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 6:41 pm to Ryan 11
Texas can not bring their network with them and they have to share revenue evenly, so they would never join the SEC. Losing would be a more regular occurrence for them if the joined the SEC, also.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 6:54 pm to rollthatback
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Texas doesn't like to be just "one of the guys"
Seems to be a logical reason. They want to dominate a conference, not just be another hard hitting team. Although I'm sure Oklahoma scoffs at that idea.
This post was edited on 9/17/11 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 9/17/11 at 6:58 pm to laxtonto
quote:
LSU and Bama among others can laungh thier own.
quote:
UT values things differently than the SEC. It is just that simple. There are things that UT thinks are important that are not emphasized in the SEC.
Dont even say academics.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 7:04 pm to Navtiger1
quote:
Texas and the SEC
SEC has revenue sharing. Texas will not agree to equal revenue sharing...this is the issue now in the Big12.
Plus the SEC has it's own network and will not allow Texas to keep the 300mil LHN.
This is why Texas will not join the SEC. It is not in their financial best interest.
Bingo!
Posted on 9/17/11 at 8:15 pm to West Central Tiger
Baloo
Posted on 9/17/11 at 8:26 pm to Tigerntx
I never understood why the Big 8 merged into Big 12. I guess for additional money but the old Big 8 was much stronger then the SWC.
At one time the big 8 teams finished 1-2-3 in final polls
Even though people claimed bigger tv exposure I'd wager more people watched OU/neb then that one sided game between horns an aggy
At one time the big 8 teams finished 1-2-3 in final polls
Even though people claimed bigger tv exposure I'd wager more people watched OU/neb then that one sided game between horns an aggy
Posted on 9/17/11 at 8:27 pm to Touchdowns4LSU
frick Texas thats why.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 8:31 pm to Big Lake
frick Texas that's why!
agree...
agree...
Posted on 9/17/11 at 9:01 pm to Ryan 11
You don't have to understand anymore than their arrogance, that being the Longhorn network. This, by itself has destroyed the Big 12 conference. Screw Texas.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 9:15 pm to trublulsu
I guarantee, if there was a vote over texas joining the SEC, they would not be voted in.
Posted on 9/17/11 at 11:36 pm to Daigeaux
The academic arguement is ridiculas. Texas wants a wimpy confrence were they can dominate. They will fly over the sec to play the ACC. 
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