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re: So let me get this straight--TEXAS is the bad guy?
Posted on 8/15/11 at 3:18 pm to Indiana Tiger
Posted on 8/15/11 at 3:18 pm to Indiana Tiger
quote:Nailed it.
It's TX. These other schools are like women in an abusive relationship that truly believe leaving may be worse and then people blame them for staying instead of the abuser. Neb and CO had attractive options; A&M is trying to generate one; but many of the others in the Big 12 feel the alternative is worse, so they just hang on and some want to blame them or worse, those who escaped for breaking up the marriage.
All the Big 12 schools, for some reason fear life without Texas unless the SEC, B1G, or P12 is an option.
If Texas is such a problem, get rid of 'em.
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Posted on 8/15/11 at 3:21 pm to xiv
Absolutely. No other conference has this odd "revenue stealing...errr....sharing" that TU has, which is why the Big-12 makes the Big East look stable. You do not see Oh State, USC or FL pulling that crap. It reminds me of the USSR and their block of hostage "allies". TAMU is a brand big enough to leave the serfdom...and TU is trying to prevent it? Seems a bit hypocritical after TU tried to broker the PAC-16 deal last year. Bad guys would be a bit of an understatement...more like pricks. 
Posted on 8/15/11 at 3:23 pm to Amp4LSU
quote:Good question. Don't know. I suspect that the answer is no. You'd have multiple instances when say, Auburn thinks Bama gets too much, and then they threaten to leave, blah blah blah...you'd have that crap all the time.
xiv - i have a question for you:
do you think the SEC would benfit if each team got a % of $ based on their marketability and what they bring into the conference, as opposed to equal sharing?
Of course, then, it isn't surprising that non-equal revenue sharing exists in the perceived unstable Big 12. If they had equal sharing, I do think Colorado and Nebraska would still be gone because I think they'd be making more money in their new places than in the Big 12.
And equal sharing wouldn't solve the A&M problem, I don't think. The SEC offers more money, so A&M would still be sniffing that direction, if not more quietly.
But A&M doesn't want equal sharing--they would get far less money in that case.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 3:25 pm to LSUtah
quote:Yeah, but A&M isn't a serf. They're one of the bourgeoisie of the Big 12. They're one of the haves, and they're bitching like they're one of the have-nots. If non-equal revenue sharing is the problem, then A&M is just as much a part of the problem as Texas is.
Absolutely. No other conference has this odd "revenue stealing...errr....sharing" that TU has, which is why the Big-12 makes the Big East look stable. You do not see Oh State, USC or FL pulling that crap. It reminds me of the USSR and their block of hostage "allies". TAMU is a brand big enough to leave the serfdom...and TU is trying to prevent it? Seems a bit hypocritical after TU tried to broker the PAC-16 deal last year. Bad guys would be a bit of an understatement...more like pricks.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 3:28 pm to LSUtah
there's a reason why the SEC is the most winning, most loyal, conference in the country. it has nothing to do with the member institutions only looking out for themselves.
there's a reason why 'any' team in the country, if asked, would join the SEC in a heartbeat.
there's a reason why SEC member institutions never try to do stupid things, like start their own network, or ask for a higher percentage of profits cause they feel like they carry more weight.
If UT isn't the bad guy, it sure seems like they are trying everything they can do make themselves king of the neighborhood while destroying it.
there's a reason why 'any' team in the country, if asked, would join the SEC in a heartbeat.
there's a reason why SEC member institutions never try to do stupid things, like start their own network, or ask for a higher percentage of profits cause they feel like they carry more weight.
If UT isn't the bad guy, it sure seems like they are trying everything they can do make themselves king of the neighborhood while destroying it.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 3:32 pm to Amp4LSU
quote:
But A&M doesn't want equal sharing--they would get far less money in that case.
do you think that aTm would get more money by being an equal partner in the SEC than being in the Top 3 of the un-equal sharing of the Big 12?
Posted on 8/15/11 at 3:33 pm to Amp4LSU
quote:I'm guessing they would. Only a guess. I don't know how much they'd cash in on SEC membership.
do you think that aTm would get more money by being an equal partner in the SEC than being in the Top 3 of the un-equal sharing of the Big 12?
Posted on 8/15/11 at 3:36 pm to xiv
i didn't realize the SEC / 12 could make that much more $ than Big 12 / 3 & 9.
if it's marginal, i would think the LHN and its recruiting advantage would have to be #1 or #2 on the list for aTm to want to leave the B12.
if it's marginal, i would think the LHN and its recruiting advantage would have to be #1 or #2 on the list for aTm to want to leave the B12.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 3:38 pm to Amp4LSU
quote:Envy and fear.
if it's marginal, i would think the LHN and its recruiting advantage would have to be #1 or #2 on the list for aTm to want to leave the B12.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 3:41 pm to xiv
You seriously need to change your fan preference to a uterus. Unbelievable. 
Posted on 8/15/11 at 3:47 pm to xiv
quote:
Nailed it.
This:
quote:
It's TX.
Should have been one giant sasquatch hint that I don't agree with you. Want to try again?
Posted on 8/15/11 at 3:51 pm to Indiana Tiger
quote:Nailed it.
It's TX. These other schools are like women in an abusive relationship that truly believe leaving may be worse and then people blame them for staying instead of the abuser. Neb and CO had attractive options; A&M is trying to generate one; but many of the others in the Big 12 feel the alternative is worse, so they just hang on and some want to blame them or worse, those who escaped for breaking up the marriage.
All the Big 12 schools, for some reason fear life without Texas unless the SEC, B1G, or P12 is an option.
If Texas is such a problem, get rid of 'em.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 3:53 pm to AAM02
quote:Your school can't make Texas its bitch, even with the help of eight superfriends.
You seriously need to change your fan preference to a uterus. Unbelievable.
Geaux Tigers. Say no to the Aggies--they're just not good enough, and they're obsessed with Texas.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 3:58 pm to xiv
It wouldn't make sense financially for teams like Vanderbilt or South Carolina, even LSU, to have it's own network, unlike say Florida or Alabama.
but Florida or Bama having their own network would be destructive to the conference, not to mention unfair to the rest of the members.
Does that mean that FL/Bama should say 'too bad' to the rest of the SEC teams even though it could lead to the demise of the conference?
that's bad business for everyone.
but Florida or Bama having their own network would be destructive to the conference, not to mention unfair to the rest of the members.
Does that mean that FL/Bama should say 'too bad' to the rest of the SEC teams even though it could lead to the demise of the conference?
that's bad business for everyone.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 3:58 pm to xiv
quote:
All the Big 12 schools, for some reason fear life without Texas unless the SEC, B1G, or P12 is an option.
Sigh.
A little context.
For over 30 years, the Big 8 conference and its members were perfectly happy the way they were. Nebraska and Oklahoma dominated in football and were always contending for a national title. The Big 8 had a automatic tie in to the very prestigious Orange Bowl. Kansas was huge in basketball. The other members were content to be a part of it. The league HQ was in Kansas City -- the traditional heart of the Big 8.
Then in the 90s, the SEC expanded to 12 members as the SWC began to fall apart. The Big 8 was jealous and eager to get a championship game like the SEC. Sounded great on paper but from the get go the Texas schools shifted power in their direction -- starting with the 7-5 vote to move conference HQ from Kansas City to Irving, TX. Iowa State, the Kansas schools, Missouri and Nebraska all opposed that move.
The North has performed poorly in the Big 12 Championship game, winning only 4 of the 15 games. However, 7 of the South's 11 wins have been by one school -- Oklahoma. The Texas schools are a combined 4-3 in the Big 12 CG versus Oklahoma's dominating 7-1 record. Suck it, Baja Oklahoma.
But it's clear that Nebraska left for the Big Ten because they didn't like the power shift towards the Texas schools and felt the conference was no longer a good fit for them. Ditto for Colorado.
The Big 8 worked just fine. The Big 12 never really felt right.
There's a reason that for many decades the state of Texas had a conference unto itself (plus the Piggies). They just don't play well with others. In expanding the conference in the 90s, the conference unknowingly sowed the seeds of its own destruction.
In the long run, I don't see how the Texas schools and schools like Missouri, Kansas, K-State and Iowa State can coexist. Midwest and Southwest just don't mix well. Something Nebraska figured out better later than never.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 3:59 pm to Amp4LSU
quote:
but Florida or Bama having their own network would be destructive to the conference, not to mention unfair to the rest of the members.
Does that mean that FL/Bama should say 'too bad' to the rest of the SEC teams even though it could lead to the demise of the conference?
that's bad business for everyone.
Bingo.
The NFL long ago realized this which is why they force revenue sharing on all the teams. Pisses off Jerry Jones because he knows he could make a killing if he could monopolize all the profits from selling Cowboys schwag.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 3:59 pm to xiv
TEXAS IS SCARED....welcome back to the SWC (without Atm) but with Oklahoma
Posted on 8/15/11 at 4:01 pm to xiv
quote:
for some reason fear life without Texas unless the SEC, B1G, or P12 is an option.
You have a serious lack of imagination if you can't think of a reason.
Posted on 8/15/11 at 4:05 pm to xiv
quote:
Just because they're rich doesn't mean they're evil,
Everyone says the LHN is just Texas looking out for what's best for UT. So how are Nebraska/CU and A&M looking to change conferences any different?
Posted on 8/15/11 at 4:08 pm to Derrick
Notre Dame having it's own TV network with NBC - that's okay cause they're an independent. i have no issue with this.
A school in a conference, having its' own contract, plus getting a larger % of the conference revenues....those revenues are already smaller as a whole than the SEC/Pac12/Big T1N.
UT is trying its best to appear like the big bad bully in all this, therefore getting no sympathy from anyone. plus, they don't care if they get sympathy regardless.
please don't try to defend UT and appear dumb-founded when people hate the horns. they could just as easily express an interest in joining the SEC, be a part of a conference where in general everyone pulls their own weight.
but they won't do this cause they know they'd get their arse handed to them every year, and they want NO part of actual competition.
A school in a conference, having its' own contract, plus getting a larger % of the conference revenues....those revenues are already smaller as a whole than the SEC/Pac12/Big T1N.
UT is trying its best to appear like the big bad bully in all this, therefore getting no sympathy from anyone. plus, they don't care if they get sympathy regardless.
please don't try to defend UT and appear dumb-founded when people hate the horns. they could just as easily express an interest in joining the SEC, be a part of a conference where in general everyone pulls their own weight.
but they won't do this cause they know they'd get their arse handed to them every year, and they want NO part of actual competition.
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