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re: Pacific-12 divisions
Posted on 6/16/10 at 12:36 pm to molsusports
Posted on 6/16/10 at 12:36 pm to molsusports
quote:
well, i'm biased by teh SEC model but I think doing one permanent opp division opponent is good because it can let rivals keep playing (aub/uga) and create/strengthen new rivalries (lsu/fla)
It makes schedules incredibly unbalanced. It's bullshite that LSU has to play Florida every year while Ole Miss gets to play Vandy
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Posted on 6/16/10 at 12:38 pm to usc6158
quote:
Unless they plan on doing permament rivals like the SEC, which I'm not a fan of, Stanford, SC, UCLA and Cal will all push hard to be in the same division. These are the 4 schools that pretty much control the Pac-10 politically also. The Washington and Oregon schools are going to want the same setup for them.
I think the big issue to think about it what the Big 12 was never able to overcome.
The Big 12 created in teh 90s was essentially skewed because the recruiting grounds were all in the south. The other thing they screwed up was not letting OU and Nebraska play every year
If the PAC creates a conference that doesn't spread out the recruiting they may not be doomed - but they will likely be doomed to have unequal divisions
Posted on 6/16/10 at 12:40 pm to usc6158
quote:
It makes schedules incredibly unbalanced. It's bullshite that LSU has to play Florida every year while Ole Miss gets to play Vandy
on the contrary - it balances out the schedules
because the better programs have to play the better programs from the opposite division.
If you don't do this then the schedules get more unequal - if you're vandy you shouldn't have to play fla, uga, ut and then another great program from the west.
Posted on 6/16/10 at 12:50 pm to molsusports
quote:
If the PAC creates a conference that doesn't spread out the recruiting they may not be doomed - but they will likely be doomed to have unequal divisions
Oregon Oregon state, and Udub will make sure this doesn't happen. They all absolutely depend on Cali, Oregon schools even more so. Oregon takes about one or two kids from the state of Oregon every year and that is it. They are so dependent they have been trying to get in roads to Texas and Florida. Texas is going well, Florida is a work in progress.
Have heard of of splitting the cali schools before. LA schools in the south and northern cali in the north division that way everyone has some access to cali every year (lot of recruits come out of the bay area as well). Playing the LA schools here and there to get some face time in southern cal.
Posted on 6/16/10 at 1:00 pm to usc6158
The south division would have a solid baseball division
Posted on 6/16/10 at 1:12 pm to usc6158
quote:Exactly. Ole Miss has won a lot of SEC titles because of this, and LSU has gotten screwed out of many SEC titles because of this.
It makes schedules incredibly unbalanced. It's bullshite that LSU has to play Florida every year while Ole Miss gets to play Vandy
Seriously, the three biggest interdivisional rivalries are Bama/Tenn, Aub/UGA, and LSU/Fla. Those are the only six schools who have won SEC titles since expansion. Until one of the little six wins an SEC title as a direct result of the SEC schedule, this argument won't hold any water.
Posted on 6/16/10 at 1:14 pm to molsusports
quote:Oklahoma and Nebraska had the opportunity to play every year, but each decided it would be in their best interest to go with the even rotation because somebody else was going to end up with Kansas or Iowa State or Missouri every year.
The other thing they screwed up was not letting OU and Nebraska play every year
Posted on 6/16/10 at 1:21 pm to xiv
These are the rumored divisions:
North
Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
Cal
South
Colorado
Utah
USC
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona State
North
Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
Cal
South
Colorado
Utah
USC
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona State
Posted on 6/16/10 at 1:21 pm to molsusports
quote:The benefits of playing Florida as opposed to Vanderbilt, Kentucky, or South Carolina every year far outweigh the (opposite of benefit--brain fart--can't think of the fricking right word).
because the better programs have to play the better programs from the opposite division.
Playing Florida means a nationally televised game, likely between two top ten teams.
Playing Vanderbilt usually means JP or Tigervision.
Posted on 6/16/10 at 1:26 pm to thetigerman
quote:
These are the rumored divisions:
North
Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
Cal
South
Colorado
Utah
USC
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona State
That is what I have heard before. This keeps all schools playing in cali every year. They will get to visit southern cal now and then or northern cal if your the south.
Posted on 6/16/10 at 1:28 pm to thetigerman
quote:
North
Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
Cal
South
Colorado
Utah
USC
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona State
I could never support a Pac-12 system where USC doesn't play Cal and Stanford every year
Posted on 6/16/10 at 1:36 pm to usc6158
quote:
I could never support a Pac-12 system where USC doesn't play Cal and Stanford every year
Sometimes you just have to roll with the punches. I think you should prepare yourself for that scenario. You really think the northern schools will allow getting shutout of their recruiting grounds?
eta...do you really want to see them finally expand, get a championship game just to see the north division eventually get squeezed out and become mediocre?
This post was edited on 6/16/10 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 6/16/10 at 1:41 pm to thetigerman
quote:What's interesting about that is that the North is comprised of the first six schools, among these twelve, who joined the Pacific Coast Conference, and the South is comprised all of teams who joined the other six later. It's almost a Charter/Newbie division.
Pacific-12 divisions
These are the rumored divisions:
North
Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
Cal
South
Colorado
Utah
USC
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona State
Posted on 6/16/10 at 1:43 pm to LSUintheNW
quote:With what is currently the Big 12's scheduling format, you could have every school visiting both southern and northern California every year no matter what the divisions are.
This keeps all schools playing in cali every year. They will get to visit southern cal now and then or northern cal if your the south.
Posted on 6/16/10 at 1:56 pm to xiv
quote:
and LSU has gotten screwed out of many SEC titles because of this.
we may very well have lost out on an SEC and perhaps a NC in 2006 by having to play at Florida instead of Vandy or even say USCe. OM is screwed because a) they are Ole Miss b) They have to play LSU, Bama and AU every year anyway.
Posted on 6/16/10 at 2:03 pm to H-Town Tiger
just read Utah may join the pac ten next year, the MWC only requires a one year notice. Colorado may also leave early and join next year. Nebraska is going to try and get out of paying any fee for leaving as well.
all in the same article...
LINK
all in the same article...
LINK
This post was edited on 6/16/10 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 6/16/10 at 2:09 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:
we may very well have lost out on an SEC and perhaps a NC in 2006 by having to play at Florida instead of Vandy or even say USCe.
LSU lost games they could have won - they had their chance so I don't worry about it or consider it unfair
We're talking about winning the SEC or a NC - IMO you shouldn't talk about doing that if you're afraid to face another big boy team from the opposite division every year
Posted on 6/16/10 at 2:38 pm to LSUintheNW
quote:
The Buffs will be joined by USC, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State and probably Utah
so it would be:
Arizona
Arizona State
Colorado
UCLA
USC
Utah
Cal
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
Washington
Washington State
that's actually pretty good - would be balanced divisions - maybe slightly better in the north while USC is down but long term should be very competitive
Posted on 6/16/10 at 2:42 pm to molsusports
quote:
that's actually pretty good - would be balanced divisions - maybe slightly better in the north while USC is down but long term should be very competitive
yep.....seems the most fair to all involved as well.
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