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re: How does expansion help the SEC?
Posted on 6/11/10 at 9:44 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/11/10 at 9:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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our talent base is unmatched. this is the true advantage of the SEC
not fact.
Tex 25 million people
So Cal 20 million people
they 'match' just fine.
That's why USC and TEX are mighty. Its not the water.
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Posted on 6/11/10 at 9:46 am to Freauxzen
i'm not saying the SEC will be the best every year
but our revenue comes from the fans themselves and our national appeal comes from the product we put on the field
but our revenue comes from the fans themselves and our national appeal comes from the product we put on the field
Posted on 6/11/10 at 9:47 am to ottothewise
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they 'match' just fine.
then why haven't the pac10 and big12 put out better products than the SEC?
Posted on 6/11/10 at 9:54 am to SlowFlowPro
Slo, open your eyes. The only constant in life is change. The SEC is expanding, and TAMU is at the top of the wish list.
ETA: It's an arms race and the weapon of choice is a TV set.
ETA: It's an arms race and the weapon of choice is a TV set.
This post was edited on 6/11/10 at 9:57 am
Posted on 6/11/10 at 10:01 am to SlowFlowPro
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but our revenue comes from the fans themselves and our national appeal comes from the product we put on the field
You're right, 100%. And you don't think that product suffers in the "national media/culture" if the Big 10 can put NU on the field with OSU and Penn State, UM, and let's hope not, ND annually and the Pac16 is putting Texas-UO, USC-Texas, UO-UO, etc.? If everyone else is elevating their game, so must we. We should make very careful moves in what we do, but we'll have to do something.
Posted on 6/11/10 at 10:27 am to Freauxzen
I understand SFP's point but I don't see how he concludes that TA&M is an inferior school that will dilute the quality of play in the SEC. They have fan support, a large alumni base, and enough tradition that given the right athletic director and head football couch to be a major player. If we were talking about adding Maryland or North Carolina for the sake of television, I would agree with him but not TA&M and VT.
Posted on 6/11/10 at 10:36 am to H-Town Tiger
expansion sucks. Is there really and SEC right now or are we already two conf.'s. EAST and WEST! If we keep expanding we will never play some of the teams that are supposedly in our same conf.! How the frick can you be in "the same comf." and play a team at most once a decade!!!
Posted on 6/11/10 at 10:39 am to ottothewise
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not fact.
Tex 25 million people
So Cal 20 million people
they 'match' just fine.
That's why USC and TEX are mighty. Its not the water.
Florida, Texas, and California all produce about the same amount of talent every year
The difference is that all the Pac-10 has is California and all the Big-12 has is Texas. That's enough for 2 really elite teams in each conference pretty much.
The SEC on the other hand has Florida, but then also Louisiana, Mississippi, Georgia, and Alabama that produce talent. It's pretty obvious why the SEC has the best depth
Posted on 6/11/10 at 10:42 am to SlowFlowPro
Texas has more people than Arkansas, Louisiana, Miss and Alabama combined... and twice over. That's a huge tv market share and would sweeten the SEC TV deal greatly. Big Big bucks.
Posted on 6/11/10 at 10:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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then why haven't the pac10 and big12 put out better products than the SEC?
Not to mention, with So. Cal being reduced due to sanctions, even if Texas & OK join the Pac-10, does this really scare the SEC in terms of football?? The media is the only one that thinks of the Pac-10 has being a football power. I want A&M to join the SEC, but even if we do not expand, the SEC is still the best conference until proven otherwise, & they will keep the $$$ flowing in...
Posted on 6/11/10 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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look at the numbers...tv deals are only about 1/3 of total revenue streams
Only?
And add a state with 3 of the top 10 tv markets in the country and you're looking at a HUGE new tv contract. Might even go to 1/2 of total revenue streams.
This post was edited on 6/11/10 at 10:47 am
Posted on 6/11/10 at 10:47 am to Freauxzen
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And you don't think that product suffers in the "national media/culture" if the Big 10 can put NU on the field with OSU and Penn State, UM, and let's hope not, ND annually and the Pac16 is putting Texas-UO, USC-Texas, UO-UO, etc.? I
not if our product remains elite
hell BSU gets more pub than most BCS programs nationally. why? because they win (not even against top competition)
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f everyone else is elevating their game
the big10 really hasn't yet. NU isn't going to be an elite team in the big10, especially separating from TX recruits even more
Posted on 6/11/10 at 10:50 am to Vegas Bengal
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And add a state with 3 of the top 10 tv markets in the country and you're looking at a HUGE new tv contract.
dude
most of those people in this huge new region don't give a flying frick about college football
which is why teh pac10 is so fricked right now and much of the big12 is fricked financially
the state of texas supported teh big12. now the state of texas will have to support the pac16. how will this be any different than the big12 was?
i'll give you a perfect example...Denver/CU. denver is a huge market the pac16 wants. has that market even supported the local program? no. CU is almost fricking bankrupt
the pac10 currently has ONE team in the top 20 of revenue earners, and that one team is about to lose a lot of bandwagon support and BCS money. the geography of the pac10 really just doesn't care about college football
This post was edited on 6/11/10 at 10:51 am
Posted on 6/11/10 at 10:55 am to SlowFlowPro
If we don't stop the Texas schools from going to the PAC 10, the SEC will be crushed financially.
Consider this: that would mean eight of the country's top 20 TV markets (Los Angeles, Dallas, San Francisco, Houston, Phoenix, San Antonio, Seattle and Sacramento) would be PAC 10. If you think ESPN is biased now... wait until that happens. The SEC will be an afterthought in terms of publicity.
Consider this: that would mean eight of the country's top 20 TV markets (Los Angeles, Dallas, San Francisco, Houston, Phoenix, San Antonio, Seattle and Sacramento) would be PAC 10. If you think ESPN is biased now... wait until that happens. The SEC will be an afterthought in terms of publicity.
Posted on 6/11/10 at 10:57 am to Vegas Bengal
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If we don't stop the Texas schools from going to the PAC 10, the SEC will be crushed financially.
no we won't
we make $17M/year right now from ESPN/CBS
at best, the pac16 will make $25M/year, and that's if they go cable and if people start to watch CFB
we will still lap all programs other than UT/OU/USC otherwise
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Consider this: that would mean eight of the country's top 20 TV markets (Los Angeles, Dallas, San Francisco, Houston, Phoenix, San Antonio, Seattle and Sacramento) would be PAC 10.
LA, SF, Phoenix, Seattle, and Sactown don't give a flying frick about CFB for the most part, so who cares?
the SEC has shown that local support is the most important aspect of funding a program
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The SEC will be an afterthought in terms of publicity.
why is the SEC not an afterthought with the media markets and media influence of the big10 RIGHT NOW?
they have a ton of big cities, a ton of population, and the major national media is flooded with big10 grads
Posted on 6/11/10 at 10:58 am to SlowFlowPro
People in Texas don't give a phuc about football?!?!?!?! Are you freakin joking? They used to have their own damned conference + Arkansas. Texas is as big on football as any state in the country.
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The thought is the Big 16 (or whatever they decide for the name) would start its own television network that could command premium subscriber dollars from cable providers on par with the Big Ten Network and pay out upwards of $20 million to each of the 16 schools in TV revenue.
Those projected TV revenues would double the current payouts of roughly $9 million to Big 12 and Pac-10 members. If the Big 16 reached its projections, the league would also surpass the SEC's projected payout of $17 million per school reached in a 15-year TV deal with ABC/ESPN and CBS signed in 2008.
Posted on 6/11/10 at 10:58 am to Vegas Bengal
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the SEC will be crushed financially
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Consider this: that would mean eight of the country's top 20 TV markets (Los Angeles, Dallas, San Francisco, Houston, Phoenix, San Antonio, Seattle and Sacramento) would be PAC 10. If you think ESPN is biased now... wait until that happens. The SEC will be an afterthought in terms of publicity.
market size doesn't matter if people dont watch. Your vision of the importance of college football on the west coast is way way off
Also, the major Pac-16 contracts will be with Fox. ESPN would have no incentive for pimping a Pac-16 over the SEC
This post was edited on 6/11/10 at 10:58 am
Posted on 6/11/10 at 11:00 am to Vegas Bengal
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Those projected TV revenues would double the current payouts of roughly $9 million to Big 12 and Pac-10 members.
so...this estimate has it at $18M (at best)
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SEC's projected payout of $17 million per school
OMG ONE MILLION DOLLARS IN TV MONEY? WE'RE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKED
Posted on 6/11/10 at 11:00 am to usc6158
See above... the projected revenue would be greater than the SEC.
And while the SEC is strong now, a big 16 would command the attention of sportswriters and the tv market and the SEC would no longer be the big dog. We would no longer be the conference that pulls the most weight in football. We would be the little sister of the Big 16.
And I do not want that.
And while the SEC is strong now, a big 16 would command the attention of sportswriters and the tv market and the SEC would no longer be the big dog. We would no longer be the conference that pulls the most weight in football. We would be the little sister of the Big 16.
And I do not want that.
This post was edited on 6/11/10 at 11:01 am
Posted on 6/11/10 at 11:01 am to usc6158
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Also, the major Pac-16 contracts will be with Fox
if they do a cable network, they'll have to just pray a bunch of people who don't care about CFB don't mind paying for the channel on the sports tier. the big10N works b/c the big10 supports their schools similar to the SEC
the only way i see the pac16CN working is by simply forcing the channel on millions of people in big markets who won't watch it
THAT would be an amazing plan
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