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re: How does expansion help the SEC?
Posted on 6/11/10 at 8:34 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 6/11/10 at 8:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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unless ESPN/CBS is asking us to add the market with a new deal already worked out, adding that market doesn't matter to me
that's a very short sighted view. If they try some kind of SEC Network, the 18M Texans would add a lot of value to that.
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Posted on 6/11/10 at 8:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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our talent base is unmatched. this is the true advantage of the SEC
You put the entire state of Texas schools in the Pac-10 with USC, UCLA, and Cal we maybe start losing some of this argument. Without Miami and FSU being brought into the SEC, enough talent is staying outside the SEC. A unanimous control of Texas and California recruiting would not be good for the SEC. Add that Oklahoma cherry picks top Texas talent every year, the PAC-makes big recruiting strides.
Posted on 6/11/10 at 8:37 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:It doesn't -----right now. It will, however, become a matter of survival. Within 5 years, there will be 4 super conferences with 16 teams each. They will make their own rules and thumb their collective noses at the NCAA and take their product and cut their own deals. Book it! This whole thing is going to change college athletics as we know it. It's all about the football money but how about the other sports that have to travel from Austin to Seattle? How about the fans of those sports? It's a sad day.
How does expansion help the SEC?
Posted on 6/11/10 at 8:39 am to H-Town Tiger
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As someone else said, you don't want to be left behind.
i don't think we're being "left behind" as is
it's about the product on the field
watering down that product hurts the SEC
Posted on 6/11/10 at 8:41 am to Linkovich
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You put the entire state of Texas schools in the Pac-10 with USC, UCLA, and Cal we maybe start losing some of this argument.
eh. LSU is the only SEC program who routinely relies on top TX talent, and i don't think the SE corridor will abandon us
UT/OU will still get their kids in the future just like they get them now. that's 0-sum for the pac16 and SEC
Posted on 6/11/10 at 8:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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UT/OU will still get their kids in the future just like they get them now. that's 0-sum for the pac16 and SEC
Yeah, but you have the same conference receiving all the talent. That's a crap load of elite talent under the "Pac-16" umbrella. Makes them much easier to market then two seperate conferences.
Posted on 6/11/10 at 8:49 am to SlowFlowPro
SFP, guys are giving you the answers and you are not listening. It's about market share and the eventuality of the 4 16 team conferences. If the TX teams join the PAC 10 we have no choice but to chase the usual suspects in markets we already dominate like Clemson, Fla St, etc. The SEC will eventually have to expand to 16...why not take the best available options now while we have a choice? Status quo will not be good enough in the near future.
Posted on 6/11/10 at 8:50 am to Linkovich
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but you have the same conference receiving all the talent.
it's just like the big12 going to the pac16
they may increase the overall talent in the conference, but each team doesn't improve
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That's a crap load of elite talent under the "Pac-16" umbrella. Makes them much easier to market then two seperate conferences.
the product on the field will still be the biggest marketing tool
the pac16, as rumored, goes from a 1-team conference to a 3-team conference, with 1 of those teams under serious sanctions...so it will be a 2-team conference just like the big12 was
if all the USC talent gets spread out among the west, then that improves everyone and takes away an elite team
Posted on 6/11/10 at 8:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's about the product on the field
Posted on 6/11/10 at 8:52 am to flyingtiger
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It's about market share
the SEC has proven that you don't need the biggest markets to be the best conference
local support and quality product fund the SEC much more than any tv deal
look at the numbers...tv deals are only about 1/3 of total revenue streams
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The SEC will eventually have to expand to 16
why? we produce the best at 12 and will continue to do so, even if everybody else expands
Posted on 6/11/10 at 8:55 am to H-Town Tiger
in terms of media exposure, it's about product
the SEC became a big deal again national when UF beat the frick out of the great 2006 OSU team
then LSU winning again propelled it more
now we're seen as the best without question after 2 more titles in a row
the SEC became a big deal again national when UF beat the frick out of the great 2006 OSU team
then LSU winning again propelled it more
now we're seen as the best without question after 2 more titles in a row
Posted on 6/11/10 at 8:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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the SEC has proven that you don't need the biggest markets to be the best conference
its not about being the best football teams
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why? we produce the best at 12 and will continue to do so, even if everybody else expands
historically the SEC has been the best, but that is not the case every single year. From 98-02 the Big 12 was clearly better,. You are way too smart to not realize that things can and do change in a hurry. Yes, the SEC states have the most talent. Is that new? Yet the SEC has never won 4 in arow before. To think that will continue as is ad infinitim is foolish. The current SEC dominance is fueled by money. If we fall behind in revenue, we will eventually fall behind on the field.
Posted on 6/11/10 at 8:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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now we're seen as the best without question after 2 more titles in a row
10 years from now, no one will care anymore. That is fleeting.
Posted on 6/11/10 at 9:00 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:Yes. Slive is a lawyer. He knows how to cover all possible options. He included a clause that would allow renegotiation should the SEC expand.
could they not be renegoitated if teams are added?
Posted on 6/11/10 at 9:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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i'd like to add an up and coming school like houston
This makes the most sense. We need UT in the SEC West like we need a hole in the head. Take Houston and the huge TV market they bring.
also opens up a loaded recruiting ground in our backyard.
Posted on 6/11/10 at 9:33 am to mikeytig
quote:Nobody watches Houston in Houston. Houston is a Texas, Texas A&M and LSU town.
Take Houston and the huge TV market they bring.
Posted on 6/11/10 at 9:35 am to H-Town Tiger
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The current SEC dominance is fueled by money.
and recruits
but the VAST majority of the money has nothing to do with TV. it's local support
revenue at the gate, concessions, and booster money are about 2/3 of total revenue
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If we fall behind in revenue, we will eventually fall behind on the field.
the pac16 could make $35M/year in TV and it would still lag behind the total revenue of the SEC for the most part
Posted on 6/11/10 at 9:37 am to Diamondawg
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Nobody watches Houston in Houston
i think houston could end up with a solid bandwagon following if they keep up the exciting play and keep winning
adding $10-15M in revenue/year will really help tehir football team
i'm not saying they'll ever be great, but we add a market to "showcase" the SEC and they will cost us all less (if we cut them in below the market rate). even if houston doesn't bring a large following, SEC schools playing in houston will have more houston tvs on ESPN/2
Posted on 6/11/10 at 9:37 am to Diamondawg
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Nobody watches Houston in Houston. Houston is a Texas, Texas A&M and LSU town
This is sort of my point, with LSU playing Houston every year you could turn this into a town suddenly very interested in Baton Rouge, sort of what Saban did to Mobile.
Posted on 6/11/10 at 9:39 am to H-Town Tiger
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historically the SEC has been the best, but that is not the case every single year. From 98-02 the Big 12 was clearly better,. You are way too smart to not realize that things can and do change in a hurry. Yes, the SEC states have the most talent. Is that new? Yet the SEC has never won 4 in arow before. To think that will continue as is ad infinitim is foolish. The current SEC dominance is fueled by money. If we fall behind in revenue, we will eventually fall behind on the field.
This. +100000
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