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How does expansion help the SEC?
Posted on 6/10/10 at 8:22 pm
Posted on 6/10/10 at 8:22 pm
honest question
why do we have to expand right now?
i mean if the level of school we're adding is fricking VT or TAMU, it's safe to say we can get the same quality of program later
tv revenue may slip behind the pac16 ONLY if it makes its cable channel. we'll be behind the big10 for a bit
but tv revenue is only 1/3 (about) of a school's revenue. the SEC makes so much money because of gate/concession revenue and booster clubs. money isn't a wory
our talent base is unmatched. this is the true advantage of the SEC
so what the frick do we gain by expansion?
as long as we produce the best product, we will be the best conference. it doesn't matter if the pac16 has 4 more teams and the big10 has an equal amount. why does that matter to us?
why do we have to expand right now?
i mean if the level of school we're adding is fricking VT or TAMU, it's safe to say we can get the same quality of program later
tv revenue may slip behind the pac16 ONLY if it makes its cable channel. we'll be behind the big10 for a bit
but tv revenue is only 1/3 (about) of a school's revenue. the SEC makes so much money because of gate/concession revenue and booster clubs. money isn't a wory
our talent base is unmatched. this is the true advantage of the SEC
so what the frick do we gain by expansion?
as long as we produce the best product, we will be the best conference. it doesn't matter if the pac16 has 4 more teams and the big10 has an equal amount. why does that matter to us?
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Posted on 6/10/10 at 8:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i mean if the level of school we're adding is fricking VT or TAMU, it's safe to say we can get the same quality of program later
I would agree on this, but I think you're wrong about A&M. They may be bad right now, but they have a large history and a large following. I would only support expansion if we were expanding A) Markets and B) Quality Programs
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as long as we produce the best product, we will be the best conference. it doesn't matter if the pac16 has 4 more teams and the big10 has an equal amount. why does that matter to us?
I'd say because if those extra four teams include quality programs like Texas, then yes, our dominance as "THE" athletic conference will be challenged. Street cred.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 8:30 pm to Freauxzen
shite i'd like to add an up and coming school like houston
cut them in for a smaller share, which would still be a frickload of money for them
get more exposure in houston
cut them in for a smaller share, which would still be a frickload of money for them
get more exposure in houston
Posted on 6/10/10 at 8:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
its more about keeping up with pac 10 and big 10 future tv contracts. Pac 10 is about to own cali and Texas. Big 10 will have chicago, st. louis, new york, detriot, Indy, and cleveland.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 8:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
i think the vt idea is shitty
i had the same thought about them. i'd be fine with tamu and houston/tcu/rice
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i'd like to add an up and coming school like houston
i had the same thought about them. i'd be fine with tamu and houston/tcu/rice
Posted on 6/10/10 at 9:03 pm to TheLittleAristotle
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i'd like to add an up and coming school like houston
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houston/tcu/rice
Man, if you're going to recruit "projects," places with mid-tier football teams that you try to grow with the money they could get....you go after someone like Mizzou or UNC, not UH or Rice.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 9:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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why do we have to expand right now?
I think it depends on how far everything else progresses. At this moment, it's not really necessary to expand, but if the Pac10, Big Ten, and ACC, all make the moves to try to expand to 14/16-team mega-conferences, then the SEC might need to play catch-up.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 9:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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shite i'd like to add an up and coming school like houston
As I've argued elsewhere, I like TCU or USF.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 9:09 pm to Doc Fenton
VT, Clemson and GT out of the ACC
WVU of the big east
I don't want A&M the state of Texas sucks
WVU of the big east
I don't want A&M the state of Texas sucks
Posted on 6/10/10 at 9:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
Pac-16 can only send one team to the BCS Championship and currently 2 teams at most to the BCS. It's a lot harder to get to the national championship with Texas and Oklahoma competing with 5 previous conference foes each as well as 10 other teams. I don't see how it's an advantage for any of those schools to go play in the Pac-10.
I also don't see the value of expanding the SEC. Makes it that much harder for our marquee programs to win the NC. We've got the best revenue already and the largest fan base. I think it dilutes rather than helps to expand these conferences other than the big10 finally adding that 12th team.
I also don't see the value of expanding the SEC. Makes it that much harder for our marquee programs to win the NC. We've got the best revenue already and the largest fan base. I think it dilutes rather than helps to expand these conferences other than the big10 finally adding that 12th team.
This post was edited on 6/10/10 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 6/10/10 at 9:24 pm to LSU NO Tigah
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Pac-16 can only send one team to the BCS Championship and currently 2 teams at most to the BCS.
I don't think it makes a lot of sense to look at future potential based on the old BCS formula that we all know is going to get overhauled.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 9:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
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money isn't a wory
No, but the powers that be think a more consolidated conference could make even more cash. I mean, really, Texas vs. LSU every year- that could make more money that LSU/Bama.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 9:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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cut them in for a smaller share, which would still be a frickload of money for them
get more exposure in houston
like that idea, or add Rice the Vandy of the West
Posted on 6/10/10 at 9:45 pm to LSU NO Tigah
Expansion does not seem helpful to the SEC in the short term. Eventually the SEC might be forced into expanding because of the seemingly endless drumbeat for a playoff system. Also, the SEC might suffer if it loses the opportunity to pick up some Texas recruits and the rapidly expanding Texas market. In addition, it would be pretty tough for anyone to snub a nose at Oklahoma's great program; although it is hard to see what Oklahoma would bring to the SEC in recruits and in market share.
Any additions must bring their fair share of recruits and fans.
Any additions must bring their fair share of recruits and fans.
Posted on 6/10/10 at 9:49 pm to TigerPaul2
SFP...it's all about markets. U of H does not get you squat in Houston. Texas (although the least likely), gets you Houston, San Antonio and Dallas. A&M gets you a large chunk of those markets. More markets...more TV money. If UT and OU go to the PAC-10, those markets are lost to the SEC.
Posted on 6/11/10 at 8:19 am to RebelWriter
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I mean, really, Texas vs. LSU every year-
UT doesn't want to join the SEC
if we could get an elite program like UT, i'm all for getting that program. i'd even take OU withot blinking
TAMU? VT? not elite
Posted on 6/11/10 at 8:21 am to MStreetTiger
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SFP...it's all about markets
unless we already have a new deal with ESPN/CBS, this doesn't affect the SEC AT ALL
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More markets...more TV money
our TV contracts are 15 years long and have already been signed
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If UT and OU go to the PAC-10, those markets are lost to the SEC.
we never had the markets in the first place
Posted on 6/11/10 at 8:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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i mean if the level of school we're adding is fricking VT or TAMU, it's safe to say we can get the same quality of program later
its not about "quality. TAMU is what the 3rd 4th largest school in the country? They bring huge TV markets in Houston, Dallas and SA. Besides that, they won;t necessarily always be bad. You are way to hung up on their current state and easy to poke fun of Aggies stuff, rural image etc and think they can't ever recruit again. That's just not true.
Posted on 6/11/10 at 8:31 am to H-Town Tiger
unless ESPN/CBS is asking us to add the market with a new deal already worked out, adding that market doesn't matter to me
if we add 2 more teams ESPN/CBS have to bump our pay $34M/year just to break even
if we add 2 more teams ESPN/CBS have to bump our pay $34M/year just to break even
Posted on 6/11/10 at 8:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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our TV contracts are 15 years long and have already been signed
could they not be renegoitated if teams are added? I would almost think they would have to be.
The current status will not go on forever. As someone else said, you don't want to be left behind.
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