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re: can SEC back away from A&M and save face?
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:16 pm to CassiusClay
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:16 pm to CassiusClay
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I'm a college-student. All I've known them as is the token easy win.
um what?
04 they beat us, we won by 3 in 05, 06 was back and forth all game, 07 we thumped them, they beat the piss out of us in 08, we crushed them in 09, last year was a high scoring shootout.
this year will be a very heated contest as well.
Yes we had a long winning steak against them but most of those battles up until they made a series of really bad coaching hires in the Big 12 were very close.
Also, IIRC Baylor has more overall athletic Big 12 titles than every school sans tu, A&M and Nebraska. They are a much more competitive athletic department than I would like to admit. Now that they have Briles, they are on the up and up. That cannot be denied.
I also don't see how I can be an old army guy when I finished college this past decade.
Baylor is a natural rival. No doubt about it. I hate that Starr has gone about things the way he has b/c I would like to keep them as an OOC game. He has pretty much made that impossible though.
This post was edited on 9/12/11 at 4:17 pm
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Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:23 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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There's no proof that adding Aggie will significantly boost every SEC school's bottom line.
There's more to consider than that. When we get to 16 team conferences, having A&M in the SEC will be valuable. It's a good school with SEC-like characteristics.
Ever been to a game there? I have. Ever been to a bonfire? I have. Ever even been on their campus? I have. They are a great fit for the SEC.
Look at the bigger picture. You're missing the forest for the trees.
I admit my judgment is clouded by the fact that I could travel 90 miles in an hour and a half to see the Tigers play A&M every other year. That will be one of the hottest away tickets on the schedule, every year.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:23 pm to Dr RC
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Dr RC
Opinions are opinions.
But the current pulse is that students are perfectly indifferent. Winning 2 games in my personal recollection and having a few close games doesn't constitute a rivalry, and I'm really not able to appreciate anything they bring to the table...my opinion. I've always seen them as a W except for Sherman's first year.
This post was edited on 9/12/11 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:37 pm to CassiusClay
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I've always seen them as a W
any true TexAgs poster sees EVERY game as a W.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:38 pm to Dr RC
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Baylor is a natural rival. No doubt about it. I hate that Starr has gone about things the way he has b/c I would like to keep them as an OOC game. He has pretty much made that impossible though.
Almost every single current Aggie disagrees with you on every part of this statement.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:47 pm to DesignatedT
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Almost every single current Aggie disagrees with you on every part of this statement.
well, there were two statements in what you quoted
and I don't really care about a retort you just pulled out of your butt. I can find plenty of Ags that care about Baylor as a rival and many of them are big $$$ people. I'm not saying they are our biggest rival by any means. But to say they aren't one at all or aren't a natural one is just wrong and reeks of the very arrogance we complain about when it comes to the sips down in Austin.
This post was edited on 9/12/11 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 9/12/11 at 4:54 pm to DesignatedT
Baylor's ineptitude on the football field against us for 20 years hurt the rivalry, but it absolutely is a heated natural rivalry. They are a huge rival in most other sports, particularly basketball where games between the two schools often have started to become extremely tense, and filled with hard fouls and even technicals among the players on the court.
This post was edited on 9/12/11 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 9/12/11 at 5:00 pm to JJxvi
I am just saying that, on campus, during all this talk, I have never met a current student who will lose sleep about not playing Baylor anymore. In any sport for that matter.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 5:30 pm to DesignatedT
You can't deny that bailor is a natural rival. We've been playing those homos for 100 years in everything. They killed one of our cadets in a brawl many years back.
Now, I don't give a shite if we play then in ANYTHING EVER AGAIN, but New Army needs to get some perspective.
Now, I don't give a shite if we play then in ANYTHING EVER AGAIN, but New Army needs to get some perspective.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 5:34 pm to KaiserSoze99
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You can't deny that bailor is a natural rival. We've been playing those homos for 100 years in everything. They killed one of our cadets in a brawl many years back. Now, I don't give a shite if we play then in ANYTHING EVER AGAIN, but New Army needs to get some perspective.
Yes I can. What do we gain from the series anymore? What have we gained in the last 20 years? Beating a mediocre program doesn't do much for me.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 5:54 pm to CassiusClay
Mohammed,
I guess we probably disagree on what makes a rivalry. I define a rival as a team you have a long history with, and a big desire to beat them every year. Under my definition of "rivalry" Baylor is a rival. That also applies to Arkie and LSU. Hell, we first played the Swamp Kitties in 1899.
I guess we probably disagree on what makes a rivalry. I define a rival as a team you have a long history with, and a big desire to beat them every year. Under my definition of "rivalry" Baylor is a rival. That also applies to Arkie and LSU. Hell, we first played the Swamp Kitties in 1899.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 5:57 pm to KaiserSoze99
Baylor is definitely a rival, but I don't see any point in playing them anymore. I obviously want to keep the whorns on the schedule, and I think Tech would actually be a lot of fun as an out of conference game, especially at a neutral site if Arky moves to home/home. This would also solve the "Lubbock problem"
EDIT: Clearly Tech and t.u. can't both continue, I would only want Tech if the whorns continue to act like little bitches regarding our game
EDIT: Clearly Tech and t.u. can't both continue, I would only want Tech if the whorns continue to act like little bitches regarding our game
This post was edited on 9/12/11 at 5:59 pm
Posted on 9/12/11 at 6:23 pm to WoodlandsAg07
Original question was what?
Save face? It either happens or it doesn't. No reason for either party to be embarrassed.
Save face? It either happens or it doesn't. No reason for either party to be embarrassed.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 6:41 pm to KaiserSoze99
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kaiserSoze99
I guess you're right about the definition part.
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and a big desire to beat them every year.
I have no desire to play them in the first place. Obviously, I want us to beat any team we play.
But what I meant is there has to be something to gain. With ut it's essentially the state championship, and us proving we're on par with the state's golden child. With Arky/LSU it's a natural state border-war, and representing the state is more compelling for a rivalry.
The Baylor game has become us just putting them in their place. I feel nothing beneficial when we win.
History is essential, but the recent history has been underwhelming. It's hard to justify playing them IMO.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 6:59 pm to WoodlandsAg07
Original question was what?
Save face? It either happens or it doesn't. No reason for either party to be embarrassed.
Save face? It either happens or it doesn't. No reason for either party to be embarrassed.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 7:35 pm to Tigerntx
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Original question was what?
Save face? It either happens or it doesn't. No reason for either party to be embarrassed
This is becoming an embarassment to the SEC. With Baylor and Iowa State talking lawsuits this will end up costing money and making the SEC look bad. As I said Arkie and Carolina came to the SEC without baggage and Penn State and Nebraska went to the big ten without this foolishness.
The ACC still looks like chumps with the fiasco of admitting VaTech instead of Syracuse and the additions haven't put ACC football up a notch and they are stuck with the Miami embarassment. Aggie has a history of ugly probations and let's face it it's yell leaders and bonfire and creepy brownshirts don't mesh with the SEC.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 7:58 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
Oh, Ralph...
Posted on 9/12/11 at 8:02 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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Aggie has a history of ugly probations
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don't mesh with the SEC.
Posted on 9/13/11 at 7:52 am to WoodlandsAg07
I know A&M is a big school but outside of Texas nobody really cares about them.
They haven't won anything since the 30s in the big 3 sports. I compare them to a Michigan St or Clemson
Both good schools with nice football teams but you rarely see them as the feature game of the week
They haven't won anything since the 30s in the big 3 sports. I compare them to a Michigan St or Clemson
Both good schools with nice football teams but you rarely see them as the feature game of the week
Posted on 9/13/11 at 9:49 am to dallastiger55
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They haven't won anything since the 30s in the big 3 sports. I compare them to a Michigan St or Clemson
Clemson won a national championship in 81 I believe and MSU won national titles in 1965 and 1952 in football. MSU has won two Men's basketball championships in 1979 and 2000 and multiple men's hockey titles.
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