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best part about breaking away from the NCAA
Posted on 9/11/11 at 2:25 am
Posted on 9/11/11 at 2:25 am
no more LSU-NW St. type scrimmages that "count"
60-80 teams that only play each other can have a true preseason that fans don't need to pay full price tickets or $35 on tigervision for...
and no crap about how small schools financially need these games... other small schools in lower divisions don't even get 400k paydays from the big boys and manage to run their programs just fine
60-80 teams that only play each other can have a true preseason that fans don't need to pay full price tickets or $35 on tigervision for...
and no crap about how small schools financially need these games... other small schools in lower divisions don't even get 400k paydays from the big boys and manage to run their programs just fine
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Posted on 9/11/11 at 2:42 am to chalmetteowl
There will always be teams that can beat the snot out of others. Lsu would be able to put a damn strong licking on the number 79 team.
Posted on 9/11/11 at 11:00 am to WavinWilly
It would also ruin every sport but football.
The NCAA will never allow schools to belong to one organization for football and one for all the other sports, so the big 60-80 teams would have to take their entire athletic program out the door.
And a lot of good MBB and baseball teams aren't I-A schools. We'll get to play bottom feeders instead of CSF and Rice in baseball. We'll get to play Penn State's basketball team instead of Georgetown or Butler or Gonzaga.
The NCAA will never allow schools to belong to one organization for football and one for all the other sports, so the big 60-80 teams would have to take their entire athletic program out the door.
And a lot of good MBB and baseball teams aren't I-A schools. We'll get to play bottom feeders instead of CSF and Rice in baseball. We'll get to play Penn State's basketball team instead of Georgetown or Butler or Gonzaga.
Posted on 9/11/11 at 12:04 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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The NCAA will never allow schools to belong to one organization for football and one for all the other sports
What make you think the NCAA will have a voice in this?
Resent NCAA events are wearing on some members, I think the NCAA will listen to its members and change. If they don't the NCAA will represent teams 65 thru 120.
Posted on 9/11/11 at 1:58 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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The NCAA will never allow schools to belong to one organization for football and one for all the other sports, so the big 60-80 teams would have to take their entire athletic program out the door.
the bcs is not part of the NCAA already. They don't have the power you think they have.
Posted on 9/11/11 at 4:41 pm to LSUtigersarefun
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the bcs is not part of the NCAA already. They don't have the power you think they have.
But they could say you have to put all your sports under the NCAA or none. So they wouldn't let you play basketball or baseball with them if you take football elsewhere.
Posted on 9/11/11 at 4:52 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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But they could say you have to put all your sports under the NCAA or none. So they wouldn't let you play basketball or baseball with them if you take football elsewhere.
So, people act like the NCAA is this governMental organization that is all powerful. I am telling you it is just a non-profit with no more power than the universities give it. And they need money to survive. They would have to Move or get out of the way.
Posted on 9/11/11 at 11:22 pm to LSUtigersarefun
The NCAA makes most of its money in basketball. The best thing is a new damn rule book.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 8:33 am to Bestbank Tiger
let's see if the TV networks want a ULL, Tulane, Rice, FIU, UAB, Long Beach St, Fullerton, and SD State CWS or LSU, Texas, Florida, Florida St., Miami, Oklahoma, Alabama, Michigan CWS 
or a final four of Butler, Gonzaga, VCU, George Mason vs. UNC, UCLA, Kansas, and Duke
or a final four of Butler, Gonzaga, VCU, George Mason vs. UNC, UCLA, Kansas, and Duke
Posted on 9/12/11 at 9:28 am to chalmetteowl
I really doubt that there is a break with the NCAA. The NCAA is nothing more than the sum total of its members. The university presidents run the show. Why would they want to reinvent the wheel?
Posted on 9/12/11 at 10:03 am to Macavity92
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I really doubt that there is a break with the NCAA. The NCAA is nothing more than the sum total of its members. The university presidents run the show. Why would they want to reinvent the wheel?
The reason for doing so would be to retain as much money as possible within the have conferences. I think they would most likely create a new div that is a subset of the FBS, but if they can't, breaking away would be a very viable option.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 10:28 am to Indiana Tiger
The have conferences already keep all money from any contests played in the season and all money from bowls. How much are they really losing to the NCAA? The NCAA has some licensing fees and gets the money from the championships, but even that is shared.
Doing this would also require the creation of a new body that would need to be funded (somebody has to run the new organization). I do not see the overwhelming financial gain.
Doing this would also require the creation of a new body that would need to be funded (somebody has to run the new organization). I do not see the overwhelming financial gain.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 10:32 am to Macavity92
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The have conferences already keep all money from any contests played in the season and all money from bowls. How much are they really losing to the NCAA? The NCAA has some licensing fees and gets the money from the championships, but even that is shared.
How much money would a playoff bring? Having one would mean the NCAA takes over instead of the BCS. I'm not a playoff guy, but sharing among 120 or so teams vs 72+/-8 is the reason you don't have one.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 10:38 am to Indiana Tiger
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How much money would a playoff bring? Having one would mean the NCAA takes over instead of the BCS. I'm not a playoff guy, but sharing among 120 or so teams vs 72+/-8 is the reason you don't have one.
If the published reports on the value of a playoff are correct, and this is the reason you do not have one, then the schools are cutting off their nose to spite their face.
Recreating the NCAA as a new entity for just BCS level schools would also be very expensive and cost some very expensive properties (March Madness, the College World Series, etc). If the BCS schools try this in football only expect a serious escalation in the anti-trust talk. I would be shocked if this step was taken.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 11:03 am to Macavity92
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Recreating the NCAA as a new entity for just BCS level schools would also be very expensive and cost some very expensive properties (March Madness, the College World Series, etc). If the BCS schools try this in football only expect a serious escalation in the anti-trust talk. I would be shocked if this step was taken.
The value of the properties you mention mostly flow from the haves, but there is nothing that would stop other sports from having different membership criteria, you know like there exists today in the NCAA. As far as anti-trust is concerned, I think they just have to structure it properly. As long as people can join who meet the proper standards, which would be much greater than current FBS criteria, I don't see a problem. The only issue I can see is if current members of the big confs don't meet that criteria.
In addition there is no reason that games couldn't be scheduled with non members like is done with the FCS. If they choose not to allow it, that's their problem.
Posted on 9/12/11 at 7:48 pm to Indiana Tiger
The NCAA serves at the pleasure of the member universities. Their "power" is directed by the membership.
The BCS is a seperate entity managing the football championship under a contact with the universities.
The universities could pull the top +/-64 away from the NCAA if so desired.
Think I smell ESPN in the background orchestrating this whole fiasco.
The BCS is a seperate entity managing the football championship under a contact with the universities.
The universities could pull the top +/-64 away from the NCAA if so desired.
Think I smell ESPN in the background orchestrating this whole fiasco.
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