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re: Auburn wants to leave West & Bama doesnt want Mizzou
Posted on 10/7/11 at 8:39 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
Posted on 10/7/11 at 8:39 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
It's been asked a few times and I haven't seen anyone answer the question so I'll take another stab at it.
Is there any valid reason for not simply adding Missouri to the SEC East? If adding Missouri is as essential as some suggest then why not require THEM to join the SEC East as part of the invitation to join? Wouldn't this make more sense than blowing the divisions up and alienating current members of the conference? You could even allow the teams without a long time rival to choose a new permanent cross division game.
P.S. That last recommendation is for you LSU fans that hate having to play Florida.
Is there any valid reason for not simply adding Missouri to the SEC East? If adding Missouri is as essential as some suggest then why not require THEM to join the SEC East as part of the invitation to join? Wouldn't this make more sense than blowing the divisions up and alienating current members of the conference? You could even allow the teams without a long time rival to choose a new permanent cross division game.
P.S. That last recommendation is for you LSU fans that hate having to play Florida.
This post was edited on 10/7/11 at 8:46 am
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Posted on 10/7/11 at 8:46 am to SoFla Tideroller
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This kind of thinking was valid 30 years ago when local TV/print media mattered. Today, there is almost no such thing as local TV sports. And the print media is rapidly going the way of the telegraph operator.
The fact is, who cares how big the St Louis TV market is? No one in Missouri gives a shite about Missouri football. Much less the rest of the country. Nationally, Mizzou has about as much drawing power and cache as a Louisville or Arizona State. FSU or Clemson would be a much bigger national draw than Mizzou to the average, non-die hard fan. It's total eyeballs in front of TV sets we should aim for and not some Monopoly strategy of adding properties.
That's exactly why the big ten took Nebraska instead of Mizzou. The SEC needs to be as forward thinking and think national appeal. If the SEC wants to continue to have a national tv contract like it has with CBS then it needs to think national.
Posted on 10/7/11 at 8:54 am to Govt Tide
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You could even allow the teams without a long time rival to choose a new permanent cross division game.
I don't want any permanent cross division games. I want to be part of the WHOLE conference.
Posted on 10/7/11 at 8:59 am to bamasgot13
Thank you, Tide. frick Mizzou.
Posted on 10/7/11 at 9:40 am to Ralph_Wiggum
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That's exactly why the big ten took Nebraska instead of Mizzou. The SEC needs to be as forward thinking and think national appeal. If the SEC wants to continue to have a national tv contract like it has with CBS then it needs to think national.
I disagree with practically everything you said here. Successful teams automatically become National teams over time. As long as the SEC continues to put a good product on the field, it will be a national brand, and command high ratings.
The Big 10 probably did choose Nebraska over Mizzou with the anticipation that they'd again become a football power, but they might have miscalculated. Also, the Big 10 already has a huge population base to sell the Big 10 network. So they didn't need the Missouri tv markets.
The SEC needs to add Mizzou to add another state to sell the future SEC network too. The SEC already has a great National brand because we have multiple successful programs every year.
Look at the ratings from this past Saturday"
CBS Bama v FLA - 7.65 million
ABC NEB v WIS - 5.61
As long as Bama, FL, LSU, Auburn, et al stay extremely successful, the SEC will bring in National ratings and National TV money. The SECs goal for expansion should be decent programs from big population bases. This will maximize revenues with the future SEC network, which will in turn help the SEC stay on top.
Posted on 10/7/11 at 9:57 am to Govt Tide
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That last recommendation is for you LSU fans that hate having to play Florida
We don't hate having to play Florida, we just think it's unbalanced that we play Florida every year while other west teams play a weaker one. The 2006 SEC west championship was decided by this exact factor.
LSU and Arkansas both went 4-1 vs. the west, with LSU beating Arkie head to head, so the division was decided by our records against the east. We both beat SEC East 2nd place Tennessee, but we lost to 1st place (and eventual national champion) Florida and crushed 3rd place Kentucky, while they barely squeaked by 5th place South Carolina and 6th place Vandy to finish 7-1 ahead of our 6-2.
Posted on 10/7/11 at 9:59 am to Nuts4LSU
Good job Gumps.
We can do much better than Missouri.
We can do much better than Missouri.
Posted on 10/7/11 at 10:05 am to SoFla Tideroller
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It's total eyeballs in front of TV sets we should aim for and not some Monopoly strategy of adding properties.
Not necessarily. If we go the route of the Big Ten and have our own network (with cable providers and not the syndicated thing we have now with local affiliate stations), our income won't be determined by ratings, but by subscriptions. The SEC will get a cut every time someone buys a package that includes the SEC Network. If there is a team locally that is in the SEC, the cable providers will pretty much have to include the SEC Network in their usual sports packages. That will mean lots of subscribers even if none of them ever watch a single game. With no local SEC team, there's no reason to include the SEC Network in their offerings, so no subscribers.
In DC, I can't get the SEC Network on Comcast, no matter how badly I want it. If we had West Virginia or Virginia Tech, they would probably add it and thousands of people who buy the sports packages would become subscribers to the SEC Network. That would mean a lot of money for the SEC regardless of how much of the market actually watched us. The same would be true of Missouri.
This post was edited on 10/7/11 at 10:06 am
Posted on 10/7/11 at 2:03 pm to jturn17
quote:
Look at the ratings from this past Saturday"
CBS Bama v FLA - 7.65 million
ABC NEB v WIS - 5.61
As long as Bama, FL, LSU, Auburn, et al stay extremely successful, the SEC will bring in National ratings and National TV money. The SECs goal for expansion should be decent programs from big population bases. This will maximize revenues with the future SEC network, which will in turn help the SEC stay on top.
I don't know where you pull the TV ratings from to check but I doubt very many national football fans will tune into Miss State VS USCe game as they would for a Bama vs Fl and my guess is Mizzou's TV appeal is somewhere near Miss State. FSU, Clemson, and WVU have a national appeal already and therefor more viewers.
Posted on 10/7/11 at 4:02 pm to Govt Tide
man, there are a hell of a lot of LSU fans that love playing florida every year. i'd rather play them annually than the barn.
Posted on 10/7/11 at 8:39 pm to Nuts4LSU
quote:
We don't hate having to play Florida, we just think it's unbalanced that we play Florida every year while other west teams play a weaker one. The 2006 SEC west championship was decided by this exact factor.
LSU and Arkansas both went 4-1 vs. the west, with LSU beating Arkie head to head, so the division was decided by our records against the east. We both beat SEC East 2nd place Tennessee, but we lost to 1st place (and eventual national champion) Florida and crushed 3rd place Kentucky, while they barely squeaked by 5th place South Carolina and 6th place Vandy to finish 7-1 ahead of our 6-2.
To which I say...we SHOULD have beaten Florida. If we didn't then we have no rights to complain. We also should not have lost to Auburn. Yet we did. Doesn't matter, I think making it that difficult makes the LSU program as a whole better. It forces us to elevate our game or get left out in the cold. By doing this also they make the the players NFL ready because those would be the type games play on a weekly basis.
Posted on 10/8/11 at 1:42 am to Draconian Sanctions
Why is everyone so sure that we're going to 16 in a few years?
16 would suck arse.
16 would suck arse.
Posted on 10/8/11 at 8:29 am to BayouBengals03
LSU should be looking to protect its territory against even the most astronomically remote possibility of incursion.
That's why LSU should be resoundingly against Missouri in the SEC.
Texas runs the Big 12 because like a battered wife that can't fathom leaving her abusive husband, the other Little 12 schools let Texas do what it wants.
Baylor wants to hang on to its undeserved BCS-conference niche at all costs, so naturally they will suck Texas off.
Texas wouldn't care how crappy Tulane's joke of an athletics department is if it would mean a possible toehold in Louisiana to retaliate against the SEC for raiding the Big 12.
Tulane, like Baylor, is just the little minion hoping for a scrap from the table.
Regardless, I don't want the slightest chance extant that Texas and Oklahoma play every other year in the Superdome with a vast majority of the crowd being their fans.
LSU has NOLA on lock-down. I want it to remain that way--not 90 percent but 100 percent.
So the point is: no Missouri in the Big 12.
It's a remote possibility sure.
But in a territorial fight, you consider all the contingencies.
Every LSU fan should understand this.
That's why LSU should be resoundingly against Missouri in the SEC.
Texas runs the Big 12 because like a battered wife that can't fathom leaving her abusive husband, the other Little 12 schools let Texas do what it wants.
Baylor wants to hang on to its undeserved BCS-conference niche at all costs, so naturally they will suck Texas off.
Texas wouldn't care how crappy Tulane's joke of an athletics department is if it would mean a possible toehold in Louisiana to retaliate against the SEC for raiding the Big 12.
Tulane, like Baylor, is just the little minion hoping for a scrap from the table.
Regardless, I don't want the slightest chance extant that Texas and Oklahoma play every other year in the Superdome with a vast majority of the crowd being their fans.
LSU has NOLA on lock-down. I want it to remain that way--not 90 percent but 100 percent.
So the point is: no Missouri in the Big 12.
It's a remote possibility sure.
But in a territorial fight, you consider all the contingencies.
Every LSU fan should understand this.
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