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re: A&M was put in their place
Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:11 pm to NIH
Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:11 pm to NIH
quote:How do we know that continuing in the BigXII wasn't aTm's primary goal the entire time?
I don't know how it can be looked otherwise. They talked big about the SEC and getting out of UT's shadow but in the end they were forced back.
Status quo could have been choice #1, with choice #2 being move to the SEC because they felt it would be better to be aligned that way than with a conference where the majority of the teams were on the other side of the continental divide?
It is very possible that by showing a willingness to not follow Texas just because that is what the folks in Austin wanted to do, the Aggies actually were able to achieve their primary objective - to keep the conference together as best the could and continue competing against the schools that they have been competing against for the last few years. In that case aTm was not put in their place, conversely they showed the muscle and had Texas bend to their wishes.
Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:13 pm to TigerintheNO
it became harder for ou and ut to get to the n.c. game. much like cinn out of the big east, they wont have the votes to get in the game over the big x winner, sec winner, pack 10 or acc winner.
they play one game and no championship game. they will have no credibility to being a major conference or have played the schedule worthy of playing in the n.c. game.
why you think the pac 10 and big 10 expanded? they were on the outside looking in until they get a championship game and improve their conference. sec is/was dominating, not only on the field, public opinion, and t.v. contracts.
they play one game and no championship game. they will have no credibility to being a major conference or have played the schedule worthy of playing in the n.c. game.
why you think the pac 10 and big 10 expanded? they were on the outside looking in until they get a championship game and improve their conference. sec is/was dominating, not only on the field, public opinion, and t.v. contracts.
Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:14 pm to TigerintheNO
offer was there...that is the version the media darlings (Texas)want you to think is true...
SEC is the big winners in this...if the Pac 10 would have expanded y'all got us, breaking the Pac 10 monopoly on texas...since the Big XII held together, no mega conference formed (yet) and you didn't need to expand...
We all in the big XII get more money...life goes on. I still think A&M needs to be and belongs in the SEC...
SEC is the big winners in this...if the Pac 10 would have expanded y'all got us, breaking the Pac 10 monopoly on texas...since the Big XII held together, no mega conference formed (yet) and you didn't need to expand...
We all in the big XII get more money...life goes on. I still think A&M needs to be and belongs in the SEC...
Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:18 pm to TigerintheNO
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A&M was trying to get interest from the SEC. There was some early interest from the school, but no formal offer from the SEC
That is TOTAL bullshite.
1. Slive would not have travelled to CS if he did not plan to offer. He would have handled that through intermediaries or over the phone.
2. Texas WOULD CERTAINLY have gone PAC pussy league IF A&M had not stood up and said frick no to the PAC.
3. Texas pulled all the strings to make the move happen. A&M scared the shite out of them and Texas made them cave.
4. A&M would not have turned down the PAC 10 well before Texas if they did not have an SEC offer when the Big 12 looked like it was dead.
Bottom line, Texas and the others were about to bolt, A&M had an offer they were ready to accept. Texas realized they were about to potentially get fricked with A&M possibly becoming a legit rival while the strongest conference in the nation got stronger and started going head to head with them for the athletes they do not even have to recruit right now, just offer and sign.
Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:21 pm to ULMaggie
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We all in the big XII get more money...life goes on. I still think A&M needs to be and belongs in the SEC...
In a weaker league where Texas is even stronger and A&M will never be as strong as. Texas will still get who they want now. A&M could have changed that, but Texas got more money, there own network, and an even EASIER (almost a joke now) path to the BSCCG.
Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:24 pm to PJinAtl
quote:
It is very possible that by showing a willingness to not follow Texas just because that is what the folks in Austin wanted to do, the Aggies actually were able to achieve their primary objective - to keep the conference together as best the could and continue competing against the schools that they have been competing against for the last few years. In that case aTm was not put in their place, conversely they showed the muscle and had Texas bend to their wishes.
A&M showed two things:
1. They will not BLINDLY follow Texas
2. They matter. To the SEC and others
However at the end of the day, nothing changed for A&M and Texas got STRONGER with an easier path to the BSCCG. Expect Texas to be in the BCSCG 2-3 years of the next 5.
Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:25 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Expect Texas to be in the BCSCG 2-3 years of the next 5.
And most likely get their asses beat.
Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:29 pm to NIH
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there was no gurantee they'd make more money in the pac 10 than with their own network. honestly, they could be just as well off as an independent.
UT is not Notre Dame, they are not loved throughout the country. Man, they make me sick.
Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:48 pm to coolmonk
when did Notre Dame become loved throughout the country? I hate those fkers...
Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:56 pm to NIH
As concerned as people were around here about images, and how Texas looked bad, I have another take: Texas looks like a WINNER with LEADERS at the helm and A&M looks like meek followers by all but saying they wanted to leave and then reversing course.
The Aggies are like a kid in high school who stalked the hot popular girl all year trying to get a date. He finally builds up the courage to ask, she accepts, date goes smoothly enough, then when he leans over for a good night kiss, he sees she's leaning in and he just blows his load all over everything. Date Over.
The Aggies are like a kid in high school who stalked the hot popular girl all year trying to get a date. He finally builds up the courage to ask, she accepts, date goes smoothly enough, then when he leans over for a good night kiss, he sees she's leaning in and he just blows his load all over everything. Date Over.
This post was edited on 6/14/10 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 6/14/10 at 10:05 pm to coolmonk
quote:
UT is not Notre Dame, they are not loved throughout the country. Man, they make me sick.
quote:
when did Notre Dame become loved throughout the country? I hate those fkers...
I think these two posts inadvertently display why Texas is the "darling of the dance" to the media: as many people who love them, hate them, but both add up to eyeballs watching, either for them to win or lose. Network advertisers don't care if they are loved or hated.
Posted on 6/14/10 at 10:47 pm to texashorn
I hate a&m. Lucky for them they can stay in their weak conference because otherwise lsu would take 'em to the woodshed every year. :beatdeadhorse:

Posted on 6/15/10 at 12:02 am to CavalryAg07
Here is one example from a proud Texas Aggie who is beyond frustrated with the A&M leadership...sent prior to the decision this afternoon.
Dear President Loftin,
I write you today having the utmost respect for the impending difficult decision awaiting you and other members of Texas A&M's decision making body as you presently evaluate conference options to determine what is best for Texas A&M University.
While I am a proud 2003 graduate of Texas A&M and the Mays Business School, I feel I can offer a unique perspective due to multiple family members having received degrees from Louisiana State University and a great aunt who was a Professor of English at Louisiana State University for nearly three decades. In the last 20 years, I have observed the unique pageantry of the Southeastern Conference fans and member institutions. Often I have marveled at their gameday atmospheres and felt that Texas A&M fans and the University warranted that type of showcase. Despite each member institution's desire to excel in athletics and academics, a common thread between the universities was the incredible loyalty and respect shown to one another.
Thus, I submit to you my support for Texas A&M to join the Southeastern Conference. The loyalty, tradition, and excellence of the Southeastern Conference makes it the right choice for Texas A&M now and in the future.
Regards,

Dear President Loftin,
I write you today having the utmost respect for the impending difficult decision awaiting you and other members of Texas A&M's decision making body as you presently evaluate conference options to determine what is best for Texas A&M University.
While I am a proud 2003 graduate of Texas A&M and the Mays Business School, I feel I can offer a unique perspective due to multiple family members having received degrees from Louisiana State University and a great aunt who was a Professor of English at Louisiana State University for nearly three decades. In the last 20 years, I have observed the unique pageantry of the Southeastern Conference fans and member institutions. Often I have marveled at their gameday atmospheres and felt that Texas A&M fans and the University warranted that type of showcase. Despite each member institution's desire to excel in athletics and academics, a common thread between the universities was the incredible loyalty and respect shown to one another.
Thus, I submit to you my support for Texas A&M to join the Southeastern Conference. The loyalty, tradition, and excellence of the Southeastern Conference makes it the right choice for Texas A&M now and in the future.
Regards,
Posted on 6/15/10 at 1:39 am to occstud
We're mad as hell. Our BoR are fricking stupid.
Posted on 6/15/10 at 5:44 am to Methuselah
quote:This. Although still wielding the most power, UT tried to save face by slinking back so at least the uneducated would think they were the good guys by the media reporting. They got their nuts stomped by A&M by them not going along with the plan.
From where I sit as a casual observer it looks like Texas had big plans to go to the PAC 10 and form a "superconference". They lost Nebraska which is a team with all kinds of college football prestige going way back. They lost Colorado which is kind of meh, but did win a NC I think at one time. They threatened A&M with never playing them again if the Aggies didn't follow them to the PAC 12-16. (And what happened to all that talk about they wanted to seperate from A&M cause the Aggies were bringing down their power ratings). They had to back down and slink back to the Big 12 now less two teams and look for someone to take their place. They apparently salvaged an improved t.v. deal out of the situation. But I think Texas did taste a little slice of humble pie.
Now they belong to a worse joke of a conference than the Big10 the last few years and they have only themselves to thank / blame.
Posted on 6/15/10 at 7:13 am to Helo
This was all about Texas arrogance and greed. They wanted more than their fair share from the PAC10 and the PAC10 said no.
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