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re: A&M was put in their place

Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:11 pm to
Posted by PJinAtl
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
14046 posts
Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:11 pm to
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I don't know how it can be looked otherwise. They talked big about the SEC and getting out of UT's shadow but in the end they were forced back.
How do we know that continuing in the BigXII wasn't aTm's primary goal the entire time?

Status quo could have been choice #1, with choice #2 being move to the SEC because they felt it would be better to be aligned that way than with a conference where the majority of the teams were on the other side of the continental divide?

It is very possible that by showing a willingness to not follow Texas just because that is what the folks in Austin wanted to do, the Aggies actually were able to achieve their primary objective - to keep the conference together as best the could and continue competing against the schools that they have been competing against for the last few years. In that case aTm was not put in their place, conversely they showed the muscle and had Texas bend to their wishes.
Posted by dos crystal
Georgia
Member since Aug 2008
4888 posts
Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:13 pm to
it became harder for ou and ut to get to the n.c. game. much like cinn out of the big east, they wont have the votes to get in the game over the big x winner, sec winner, pack 10 or acc winner.

they play one game and no championship game. they will have no credibility to being a major conference or have played the schedule worthy of playing in the n.c. game.

why you think the pac 10 and big 10 expanded? they were on the outside looking in until they get a championship game and improve their conference. sec is/was dominating, not only on the field, public opinion, and t.v. contracts.
Posted by ULMaggie
Member since Jun 2010
133 posts
Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:14 pm to
offer was there...that is the version the media darlings (Texas)want you to think is true...

SEC is the big winners in this...if the Pac 10 would have expanded y'all got us, breaking the Pac 10 monopoly on texas...since the Big XII held together, no mega conference formed (yet) and you didn't need to expand...

We all in the big XII get more money...life goes on. I still think A&M needs to be and belongs in the SEC...
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:18 pm to
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A&M was trying to get interest from the SEC. There was some early interest from the school, but no formal offer from the SEC


That is TOTAL bullshite.

1. Slive would not have travelled to CS if he did not plan to offer. He would have handled that through intermediaries or over the phone.

2. Texas WOULD CERTAINLY have gone PAC pussy league IF A&M had not stood up and said frick no to the PAC.

3. Texas pulled all the strings to make the move happen. A&M scared the shite out of them and Texas made them cave.

4. A&M would not have turned down the PAC 10 well before Texas if they did not have an SEC offer when the Big 12 looked like it was dead.

Bottom line, Texas and the others were about to bolt, A&M had an offer they were ready to accept. Texas realized they were about to potentially get fricked with A&M possibly becoming a legit rival while the strongest conference in the nation got stronger and started going head to head with them for the athletes they do not even have to recruit right now, just offer and sign.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:21 pm to
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We all in the big XII get more money...life goes on. I still think A&M needs to be and belongs in the SEC...


In a weaker league where Texas is even stronger and A&M will never be as strong as. Texas will still get who they want now. A&M could have changed that, but Texas got more money, there own network, and an even EASIER (almost a joke now) path to the BSCCG.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:24 pm to
quote:

It is very possible that by showing a willingness to not follow Texas just because that is what the folks in Austin wanted to do, the Aggies actually were able to achieve their primary objective - to keep the conference together as best the could and continue competing against the schools that they have been competing against for the last few years. In that case aTm was not put in their place, conversely they showed the muscle and had Texas bend to their wishes.


A&M showed two things:

1. They will not BLINDLY follow Texas

2. They matter. To the SEC and others

However at the end of the day, nothing changed for A&M and Texas got STRONGER with an easier path to the BSCCG. Expect Texas to be in the BCSCG 2-3 years of the next 5.
Posted by Alley
Smashville
Member since Sep 2005
3250 posts
Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:25 pm to
quote:

Expect Texas to be in the BCSCG 2-3 years of the next 5.


And most likely get their asses beat.
Posted by coolmonk
Member since Jan 2007
1199 posts
Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:29 pm to
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there was no gurantee they'd make more money in the pac 10 than with their own network. honestly, they could be just as well off as an independent.


UT is not Notre Dame, they are not loved throughout the country. Man, they make me sick.
Posted by ULMaggie
Member since Jun 2010
133 posts
Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:48 pm to
when did Notre Dame become loved throughout the country? I hate those fkers...
Posted by Ghostfacedistiller
BR
Member since Jun 2008
17501 posts
Posted on 6/14/10 at 9:56 pm to
As concerned as people were around here about images, and how Texas looked bad, I have another take: Texas looks like a WINNER with LEADERS at the helm and A&M looks like meek followers by all but saying they wanted to leave and then reversing course.

The Aggies are like a kid in high school who stalked the hot popular girl all year trying to get a date. He finally builds up the courage to ask, she accepts, date goes smoothly enough, then when he leans over for a good night kiss, he sees she's leaning in and he just blows his load all over everything. Date Over.
This post was edited on 6/14/10 at 9:59 pm
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 6/14/10 at 10:05 pm to
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UT is not Notre Dame, they are not loved throughout the country. Man, they make me sick.

quote:

when did Notre Dame become loved throughout the country? I hate those fkers...


I think these two posts inadvertently display why Texas is the "darling of the dance" to the media: as many people who love them, hate them, but both add up to eyeballs watching, either for them to win or lose. Network advertisers don't care if they are loved or hated.
Posted by BRUNNIN4
CenTex
Member since Mar 2010
3131 posts
Posted on 6/14/10 at 10:47 pm to
I hate a&m. Lucky for them they can stay in their weak conference because otherwise lsu would take 'em to the woodshed every year. :beatdeadhorse:
Posted by occstud
Houston
Member since Sep 2007
1030 posts
Posted on 6/15/10 at 12:02 am to
Here is one example from a proud Texas Aggie who is beyond frustrated with the A&M leadership...sent prior to the decision this afternoon.

Dear President Loftin,

I write you today having the utmost respect for the impending difficult decision awaiting you and other members of Texas A&M's decision making body as you presently evaluate conference options to determine what is best for Texas A&M University.

While I am a proud 2003 graduate of Texas A&M and the Mays Business School, I feel I can offer a unique perspective due to multiple family members having received degrees from Louisiana State University and a great aunt who was a Professor of English at Louisiana State University for nearly three decades. In the last 20 years, I have observed the unique pageantry of the Southeastern Conference fans and member institutions. Often I have marveled at their gameday atmospheres and felt that Texas A&M fans and the University warranted that type of showcase. Despite each member institution's desire to excel in athletics and academics, a common thread between the universities was the incredible loyalty and respect shown to one another.

Thus, I submit to you my support for Texas A&M to join the Southeastern Conference. The loyalty, tradition, and excellence of the Southeastern Conference makes it the right choice for Texas A&M now and in the future.

Regards,

Posted by Spaceball 1
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2010
613 posts
Posted on 6/15/10 at 1:39 am to
We're mad as hell. Our BoR are fricking stupid.
Posted by Helo
Orlando
Member since Nov 2004
4751 posts
Posted on 6/15/10 at 5:44 am to
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From where I sit as a casual observer it looks like Texas had big plans to go to the PAC 10 and form a "superconference". They lost Nebraska which is a team with all kinds of college football prestige going way back. They lost Colorado which is kind of meh, but did win a NC I think at one time. They threatened A&M with never playing them again if the Aggies didn't follow them to the PAC 12-16. (And what happened to all that talk about they wanted to seperate from A&M cause the Aggies were bringing down their power ratings). They had to back down and slink back to the Big 12 now less two teams and look for someone to take their place. They apparently salvaged an improved t.v. deal out of the situation. But I think Texas did taste a little slice of humble pie.
This. Although still wielding the most power, UT tried to save face by slinking back so at least the uneducated would think they were the good guys by the media reporting. They got their nuts stomped by A&M by them not going along with the plan.

Now they belong to a worse joke of a conference than the Big10 the last few years and they have only themselves to thank / blame.
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George, LA
Member since Aug 2004
80524 posts
Posted on 6/15/10 at 7:13 am to
This was all about Texas arrogance and greed. They wanted more than their fair share from the PAC10 and the PAC10 said no.
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