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Why the $aban thing COULD happen and COULD work...
Posted on 11/30/07 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 11/30/07 at 4:11 pm
You regular posters know me, and know that I am not a fan of the WVMD - it started when he stupidly left to go to the NFL. I wished him well, but it's like that -- it wasn't a sense that we lost one of our own, but we lost a mercenary that was looking at one or more NFL jobs EVERY December that he was at LSU, including 2003, and finally found one to his liking.
Now, I cheered against Miami, because I don't like them, generally, and have never liked them (though I do have great respect for Don Shula and Dan Marino). I was a little disappointed (but not surprised) that the little quitter didn't at least give it the full three or four years (I see now, he was smart enough to realize that he'd be fired after the 2007 season and jumped to avoid that taint.) I was happy to see him lose, and will continue to enjoy it when he loses at Bama.
I offer the following ONLY as a rational discussion of HOW it COULD work:
Having said all of that, IF he were to return to LSU (and I'm not advocating it in any way, in fact I'm against it) the PR explosion would be huge, on a scale of Price/Franchione/Rickey Williams, etc.. However, he would never be a jump risk again. No one would seriously consider hiring him. The NFL has already proven out of his depth. If he were to consider other colleges, they couldn't possibly take him seriously. He could tell recruits, "How can I possibly go anywhere after all of that? Come to LSU and let's win games together." LSU is the ONLY place he can go to from Bama. And then, he might as well fire Sexton and hire Mrs. Saban to be his agent, because the Sexton techniques of shopping him for any job, anywhere to increase his salary, simply won't work anymore.
1. If he takes less money than he's making at Bama to come back
2. If he takes market rate for the job, with decent incentives ($2.25m to $2.5m guaranteed salary plus media, and the opportunity to make $1m in incentives)
3. If he accepts an outrageous, non-prorated buyout for the term (would be symbolic because he would have no market value anywhere else).
Then, it COULD work - if he wins.
The astronomical risk would at least be mutual, at that point (LSU wouldn't be bearing it alone, in other words). He would be casting his lot with LSU, permanently. Hell, in time I could be convinced, but not right now, and not any time soon.
Now, I cheered against Miami, because I don't like them, generally, and have never liked them (though I do have great respect for Don Shula and Dan Marino). I was a little disappointed (but not surprised) that the little quitter didn't at least give it the full three or four years (I see now, he was smart enough to realize that he'd be fired after the 2007 season and jumped to avoid that taint.) I was happy to see him lose, and will continue to enjoy it when he loses at Bama.
I offer the following ONLY as a rational discussion of HOW it COULD work:
Having said all of that, IF he were to return to LSU (and I'm not advocating it in any way, in fact I'm against it) the PR explosion would be huge, on a scale of Price/Franchione/Rickey Williams, etc.. However, he would never be a jump risk again. No one would seriously consider hiring him. The NFL has already proven out of his depth. If he were to consider other colleges, they couldn't possibly take him seriously. He could tell recruits, "How can I possibly go anywhere after all of that? Come to LSU and let's win games together." LSU is the ONLY place he can go to from Bama. And then, he might as well fire Sexton and hire Mrs. Saban to be his agent, because the Sexton techniques of shopping him for any job, anywhere to increase his salary, simply won't work anymore.
1. If he takes less money than he's making at Bama to come back
2. If he takes market rate for the job, with decent incentives ($2.25m to $2.5m guaranteed salary plus media, and the opportunity to make $1m in incentives)
3. If he accepts an outrageous, non-prorated buyout for the term (would be symbolic because he would have no market value anywhere else).
Then, it COULD work - if he wins.
The astronomical risk would at least be mutual, at that point (LSU wouldn't be bearing it alone, in other words). He would be casting his lot with LSU, permanently. Hell, in time I could be convinced, but not right now, and not any time soon.
Posted on 11/30/07 at 4:12 pm to Ace Midnight
Les likes lemonade from Canes....
Posted on 11/30/07 at 4:23 pm to Ace Midnight
LSU would not, and should not, pay Saban 4 million a year to coach.
Why would he take a pay cut??? Because he loves LSU so much? Please!
Even if he is unhappy at Bama- he knows if he comes here he's got to subvert his ego and eat crow to appease our fan base (something he's not capable of doing). Then he'd have to turn around and play Bama every year. And they would hate him much more than LSU ever did.
Why would he take a pay cut??? Because he loves LSU so much? Please!
Even if he is unhappy at Bama- he knows if he comes here he's got to subvert his ego and eat crow to appease our fan base (something he's not capable of doing). Then he'd have to turn around and play Bama every year. And they would hate him much more than LSU ever did.
Posted on 11/30/07 at 4:26 pm to Chinaski
since when in the hell did Nick Saban ever care about appeasing anyone? That is EXACTLY why it could work. I said that earlier. And I agree with everything Ace said.
I'm not saying it's a likely scenario or anything, but if that scenario presented itself, it could very well work.
I'm not saying it's a likely scenario or anything, but if that scenario presented itself, it could very well work.
Posted on 11/30/07 at 4:26 pm to Ace Midnight
Nice post, Ace Midnight...although I have no idea what WVMD stands for...
I didn't fault him for leaving LSU for Miami. If it was his dream, you have to go for it. Miami has a nice climate...the pay was good. Why not?
I didn't fault him for leaving LSU for Miami. If it was his dream, you have to go for it. Miami has a nice climate...the pay was good. Why not?
Posted on 11/30/07 at 4:27 pm to Chinaski
MAKE IT STOP MAKE IT STOP MAKE IT STOP MAKE IT STOP
WHY would he take less money?
Who would take a job on his staff?
What whould he tell High School coaches?
How would any recruit ever commit to him?
What credibility would he have? (He'd be a joke)
The only way he leaves bama is if they fire him.
STOP WITH THE SABAN STUFF.
IT WILL NOT, NAY CAN NOT HAPPEN.
AAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

WHY would he take less money?
Who would take a job on his staff?
What whould he tell High School coaches?
How would any recruit ever commit to him?
What credibility would he have? (He'd be a joke)
The only way he leaves bama is if they fire him.
STOP WITH THE SABAN STUFF.
IT WILL NOT, NAY CAN NOT HAPPEN.
AAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 11/30/07 at 4:29 pm to Suntiger
quote:
WHY would he take less money
Because he would be happy at LSU...he has more money than he will ever spend already & money doesn't buy happiness, which he learned by leaving LSU!
Posted on 11/30/07 at 4:29 pm to Chinaski
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And they would hate him much more than LSU ever did.
Meh...is that possible?
Posted on 11/30/07 at 4:31 pm to Chinaski
to tell you the truth i think we should go after saban for the exact reason you just stated.if he comes here this would be his last stop cause no one else will take a chance with him.with spurrior he 62 yrs old and prolly will only coach a few more years,and we will be coach hunting again in a few years.with saban he will be here for a long time unless he really f's up.
Posted on 11/30/07 at 4:32 pm to cnydreamer
quote:
WHY would he take less money
Because he would be happy at LSU...he has more money than he will ever spend already & money doesn't buy happiness, which he learned by leaving LSU!
What's the diffrence between a Jimmy Sexton client who gets named for another coaching position and College Coach who leaves a school to take less money?
THE SECOND ONE DOESN'T F**KING EXIST.
Posted on 11/30/07 at 4:38 pm to crazycoonass2
quote:
to tell you the truth i think we should go after saban for the exact reason you just stated.if he comes here this would be his last stop cause no one else will take a chance with him.with spurrior he 62 yrs old and prolly will only coach a few more years,and we will be coach hunting again in a few years.with saban he will be here for a long time unless he really f's up.
That's the same thing that Bama said when they hired him.
Posted on 11/30/07 at 4:41 pm to Chicken
quote:
Nice post, Ace Midnight...although I have no idea what WVMD stands for...
Chicken, I have avoided (though sometimes it slips) saying or typing "his" name since he was announced as the coach at Alabama. It became unavoidable during the week before the Bama game this year, and instead of "the guy that's coaching Bama now", or "the last head coach we had" which got too awkward (and hell, my posts are usually long enough as it is), I came up with the West Virginia Midget Demon (or Dwarf, if you prefer). I shortened that to WVMD. Some other posters liked it, but so far I think I am the only one using it regularly.
Posted on 11/30/07 at 4:46 pm to Ace Midnight
Why do you guys think he loved us so much? He went to coach a shitty NFL team just to get away from us.
Posted on 11/30/07 at 6:27 pm to Hero
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Why do you guys think he loved us so much? He went to coach a shitty NFL team just to get away from us.
I think there was a number of pull factor$ in play there. His ego is susceptible to stroking. However, it's been pretty bruised over the last 11 months. Again, I'm not in favor, and will not be in favor of it, but there are significant numbers of fans who would be instantly reconciled with him, and the rest of us would fall (however reluctantly) in line if he wins.
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