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Why do people have an obsession with successful NFL coaches

Posted on 11/27/09 at 7:00 pm
Posted by LSUMafia
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Posted on 11/27/09 at 7:00 pm
to come to be your college head coach? Do you not realize how different the college game is from the pros? Obviously it helps to say we have an NFL head guy here as our coach, but the game play and recruiting most of all is entirely another beast.

How many NFL guys have come back to college and been successful without having been head coaches in college before?

Hell, the only two successful ones I can even think of are Saban and a little bit Butch Davis, but both were highly successful college head coaches before coming back to college football.
Posted by LSUinMA
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Posted on 11/27/09 at 7:13 pm to
I don't fundamentally disagree with what you are saying, but it's not like there is a huge sample size. In general it wouldn't occur to an NFL head coach to take a college job.
Posted by thecreelymac
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Posted on 11/27/09 at 10:34 pm to
because it is 10x's more difficult to be a nfl coach . it's not even close. and you don't know much about football if you don't know that.
Posted by LSUMafia
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Posted on 11/27/09 at 10:37 pm to
Did I say they weren't as good? Look at Callahan at Nebraska. He sucked.

How many have made a good transition? I've seen 1 and he struggled his first 2-3 years at Pittsburgh in Dave Wannstedt.

It's a completely different ball game in a sense of you don't have to recruit in the pros. I am not saying they can't handle the X's and O's.
Posted by Chaz95
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 11/27/09 at 10:38 pm to
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more difficult to be a nfl coach


i agree...compare the salary cap and agency to a little thing called recruiting, and then compare dealing with owners to alumni/boosters.

successful nfl coaches usually have really shitty personal lives, because you can't half-arse that shite. jimmy johnson didn't even invite his family to the cowboys' first superbowl appearance
Posted by LSUinMA
Commerce, Texas
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 11/27/09 at 10:39 pm to
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and you don't know much about football if you don't know that.


Okay, first of all, frickstick, this wasn't necessary.

Second, you're wrong. People don't only choose professions based exclusively on how easy they are. You consider compensation, the opportunity to excel, where it's likely to take you geograpically, etc.

For football coaches, there is a larger issue that how hard something is going to be. Football is about competition, and a lot of coaches want to compete at what they consider to be the "highest level", which is the NFL.

So a coach, unless he's a whiny bitch like you, wouldn't choose a job based on how hard it is.

That said, a lot of coaches do prefer the college game because of relative stability, a more relaxed atmosphere, the relatively fewer hours that permit a family life, etc.
This post was edited on 11/27/09 at 10:42 pm
Posted by lsutothetop
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Posted on 11/27/09 at 10:40 pm to
Saban wasn't even a successful NFL coach.
Posted by Chaz95
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 11/27/09 at 10:42 pm to
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Saban wasn't even a successful NFL coach.


exactly...i think Jimmy Johnson, Bill Cowher, and Belichick would dominate if they decided to retire in the college game.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 11/27/09 at 10:47 pm to
different coaching styles work better/worse in the college game as compared to the pro game.

Chucky would be a good college coach. Tony Dungy, not so much.

This post was edited on 11/27/09 at 10:47 pm
Posted by Chaz95
Dallas, Texas
Member since Nov 2007
19704 posts
Posted on 11/27/09 at 10:47 pm to
I concur...I think Del Rio would also make a great college coach.
Posted by LSUMafia
Member since May 2005
9862 posts
Posted on 11/27/09 at 11:10 pm to
Jimmy Johnson proved his merit in college. As did Dennis Erickson. Pete Carroll coached in college also.

I am talking guys that have never coached in the college ranks like Cowher, Belichick, Gruden and Del Rio. Do you know how much work a college football coach has with recruiting? It's not like the NFL is necessarily more work. You have GMs to do drafting. You put in input, but its different from selling your school to a kid and their family.

I am not saying these guys can't be successful, but this is a completely different animal coaching in college.
Posted by Cash
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Posted on 11/27/09 at 11:34 pm to
Why are Callahan, Saban, and Butch Davis brought up in a thread containing "successful NFL coaches" in the title?
Posted by LSUMafia
Member since May 2005
9862 posts
Posted on 11/27/09 at 11:55 pm to
My point was the only NFL coaches that seem to be successful in college are the ones who have been in college before going to the pros.

Saban and Davis fit that, but weren't successful in the NFL.

Callahan took Oakland to a Super Bowl so you can't say he wasn't successful at all.

I am referring more to people calling for Gruden, Del Rio, Cowher, etc.

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