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what would you do? be honest
Posted on 12/11/07 at 9:43 am
Posted on 12/11/07 at 9:43 am
Hypothetical situation:
You played football for four years at LSU, spent years as an assistant, met your wife, etc. It's your dream job, you openly love the school. But, today, you are the coach of a crappy midwestern school. Just for discussion today let's say OHIO STATE...,
ANYWAY, Skip calls, he wants you to come back, take the team. You say NO because the timing isn't right, you sincerely don't want to be a distraction, you're trying to do things the right way. So, you settle, come out, announce sign your contract, etc. You're disappointed but thrilled about where you are right now. It's settled, let's move on.
BUT, all of sudden, the phone rings, it's skip again... He says "can we just talk about it"... "don't you want to come on home, this is your chance, it ain't coming around again.."
Mama's calling.
WHAT WOULD YOU DO? Be Honest
You played football for four years at LSU, spent years as an assistant, met your wife, etc. It's your dream job, you openly love the school. But, today, you are the coach of a crappy midwestern school. Just for discussion today let's say OHIO STATE...,
ANYWAY, Skip calls, he wants you to come back, take the team. You say NO because the timing isn't right, you sincerely don't want to be a distraction, you're trying to do things the right way. So, you settle, come out, announce sign your contract, etc. You're disappointed but thrilled about where you are right now. It's settled, let's move on.
BUT, all of sudden, the phone rings, it's skip again... He says "can we just talk about it"... "don't you want to come on home, this is your chance, it ain't coming around again.."
Mama's calling.
WHAT WOULD YOU DO? Be Honest
Posted on 12/11/07 at 9:45 am to saintaustin
fricking make up your mind and go
Don't leave us in limbo
Don't leave us in limbo
Posted on 12/11/07 at 9:48 am to saintaustin
according to the ohio State (a name I use dripping with venom)
"Les Miles is a businessman first." (A greedy one it would seem).
We should and must demand he shut down all communications with Michigan. Including his Agents and monitor them, their calls etc.
ANYTHING SHORT OF THIS MEANS DEFEAT jANUARY 7TH FOR LOUISIANA st AND WE HAVE EARNED THIS TITLE. Tosu'S STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE WAS #143
"Les Miles is a businessman first." (A greedy one it would seem).
We should and must demand he shut down all communications with Michigan. Including his Agents and monitor them, their calls etc.
ANYTHING SHORT OF THIS MEANS DEFEAT jANUARY 7TH FOR LOUISIANA st AND WE HAVE EARNED THIS TITLE. Tosu'S STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE WAS #143
This post was edited on 12/11/07 at 9:50 am
Posted on 12/11/07 at 9:50 am to Northwestern tiger
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fricking make up your mind and go
Don't leave us in limbo
How are we in limbo? Les is the coach at LSU, he has said so definitively 8432587023784 times, but you want one more?
Posted on 12/11/07 at 9:52 am to saintaustin
Depends on whether you are a MOMMA'S BOY or not.
Posted on 12/11/07 at 10:39 am to saintaustin
If I'm happy where I am, I wouldn't risk my current happiness and success just for a familiar environment where the pursuit of equal happiness and success will ultimately be decided by factors of limited control and far less certainty.
So in Miles' case, his current success is not strictly a result of his input. He can credit the LSU facilities which attracts recruits as well as the multiple coaching assistants, the quality of players, and the virtually exclusive territorial recruiting rights to one of the highest per capita concentrations of athletic talent in the US. To maintain this success may require only incremental changes each year. It is easier to keep doing what has worked.
To go to Michigan, there will be a much more diverse set of changes whose intertwining effects will have no track record of success to have faith in - optimism that your input was the sole determining factor of success has a pretty good chance of turning out to be false optimism. In Michigan, if Lloyd Carr was the only personality in place who didn't want Miles, Carr would be out of the picture. He's already retired (due in part to public pressure), so he can't wield that much political influence without the support of others. So why would Miles risk what he has for a more divisive political environement?
The list of successful coaches who succeeded elsewhere is not very pursuasive of an expectation of continued success when compared to a list of successful coaches who failed to achieve the same level of success elsewhere.
So in Miles' case, his current success is not strictly a result of his input. He can credit the LSU facilities which attracts recruits as well as the multiple coaching assistants, the quality of players, and the virtually exclusive territorial recruiting rights to one of the highest per capita concentrations of athletic talent in the US. To maintain this success may require only incremental changes each year. It is easier to keep doing what has worked.
To go to Michigan, there will be a much more diverse set of changes whose intertwining effects will have no track record of success to have faith in - optimism that your input was the sole determining factor of success has a pretty good chance of turning out to be false optimism. In Michigan, if Lloyd Carr was the only personality in place who didn't want Miles, Carr would be out of the picture. He's already retired (due in part to public pressure), so he can't wield that much political influence without the support of others. So why would Miles risk what he has for a more divisive political environement?
The list of successful coaches who succeeded elsewhere is not very pursuasive of an expectation of continued success when compared to a list of successful coaches who failed to achieve the same level of success elsewhere.
Posted on 12/11/07 at 12:20 pm to EatnCreaux
But, to repeat the question, if in the same circumstances, would you come out and say absolutely not, close that chapter, or talk to them?
I think the guy was sincere when he made his statements. It's BS to say he's "helping them find a coach"... C'mon, we all know they are making a pitch to overcome objections and lure him back.
I think the guy was sincere when he made his statements. It's BS to say he's "helping them find a coach"... C'mon, we all know they are making a pitch to overcome objections and lure him back.
Posted on 12/11/07 at 12:22 pm to saintaustin
quote:
How are we in limbo? Les is the coach at LSU, he has said so definitively 8432587023784 times, but you want one more?
i think maybe he was saying he doesnt want him to continue talking to michigan....just a thought
Posted on 12/11/07 at 12:50 pm to saintaustin
quote:
But, to repeat the question, if in the same circumstances, would you come out and say absolutely not, close that chapter, or talk to them?
I think the guy was sincere when he made his statements. It's BS to say he's "helping them find a coach"... C'mon, we all know they are making a pitch to overcome objections and lure him back.
I would talk. But only so they can hear my reasons directly from me and give them an opportunity to fully understand my reasons so that they can move on. I think he's sincere as well (though it's only based on optimism). A gentleman will talk to the people courting him, regardless of occupation. Of course he knows they will try to lure him in - even if it is a face saving gesture to appease the Michigan community. If Miles loves that community, he would absolutely chat with them. He would also make it clear to the LSU community once he returned from that chat what his motivations were for chatting with them.
I also wouldn't call it b.s. that both parties are interested in helping to find a coach. He's a credible source for finding a good fit for a job that he has a lot of ties to. He also turned his back on that opportunity for good reasons (probably Lloyd Carr's divisive influence among others). Helping them overcoming that would be of mutual benefit.
Posted on 12/11/07 at 12:53 pm to EatnCreaux
I would have said, "We'll talk when the season's over. If you want me to consider the job, you are going to have to wait. If I were in the same situation for you, you would expect nothing less. If you need to fill the position before then, by all means do so."
Posted on 12/11/07 at 12:57 pm to EatnCreaux
To be completely honest, I would want to go back to where I played; however, I would stay for my family.
He has kids entering their teenage years and you know they definitely do not want to pick up again and have to make new friends. Also, the pay is better and would allow for me to provide for them better (a new infiniti instead of a nissan)
He has kids entering their teenage years and you know they definitely do not want to pick up again and have to make new friends. Also, the pay is better and would allow for me to provide for them better (a new infiniti instead of a nissan)
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