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re: Some oppose hiring O simply because they think it makes LSU look weak.

Posted on 10/24/16 at 10:59 am to
Posted by 1999
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Posted on 10/24/16 at 10:59 am to
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The question is not whether O can do all the things necessary to win games.


i can promise you it's totally about that.
Posted by 1999
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Posted on 10/24/16 at 11:01 am to
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Actually, no he's not. He's coaching games. I'm talking about everything else that comes during the off season. Coordinating recruiting locations for coaches, weight programs, academic programs, keeping players out of trouble, financials, staff changes (not just coaching staff), and all the other things a coach of a major program is responsible for. How does he balance the responsibilities, what's his take on how the FB Operations building should run? What does he do with his budget?


this. and the one time he was tasked with those responsibilities he failed horribly. if you fire les miles you need to bring in a proven replacement. coach o needs to go prove himself at a lower tier job if he wants a full time elite position.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 10/24/16 at 11:05 am to
I disagree.

I think the issue people are having is pretty simple, do we hire an Interim Coach with a less than perfect HC record based on whether or not he can rally an incredibly talented team to a decent record.

I think this will play itself out but realistically its looking like Outside Bama or we played 2 of the better teams we will face before O took over.

I think he has to beat Bama. Simply because that is really the only team left on the schedule that really a win over is really impressive.
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 10/24/16 at 11:15 am to
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The question is not whether O can do all the things necessary to win games. To some folks, it's about maintaining the illusion that LSU is stil "relevant," or "a player," or "elite." To them, O is a cause for hand wringing because he's not "a big name."


This makes me believe you really have no clue what you are talking about. I have not seen anyone saying they don't want O because of "appearance", and i have seen more coach o threads than i care to.

What you mean to say is that they don't want O because LSU IS an elite football program, and with other viable candidates out there O would be settling. Those candidates have WAY better HC resumes than O. People can pretend O is so great, but bottom line is his record is 19-27. Even if he won out he has a losing record. Compare that to any other coach on the shortlist.

So, while O could possibly succeed as HC going forward, we just fired a guy, paid him money to leave, only to make our d line coach with a losing record as HC our new HC. Do you understand that would be what's called "foolish"? Why is it foolish? Not because it looks bad, although it does, but because that means we blew it with at least 5 other coaches.
Posted by GeauxLSUGeaux
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Posted on 10/24/16 at 11:18 am to
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Actually, no he's not. He's coaching games. I'm talking about everything else that comes during the off season. Coordinating recruiting locations for coaches, weight programs, academic programs, keeping players out of trouble, financials, staff changes (not just coaching staff), and all the other things a coach of a major program is responsible for. How does he balance the responsibilities, what's his take on how the FB Operations building should run? What does he do with his budget? That's what a lot of these coach O lovers aren't thinking off. He may be a really good ball coach, but it's not just coaching that has to be done. This get a lot harder when you take the interim tag off.


Look, I'm not saying crown him right now, wait and see if we can get a tier one coach and how O does this year if we can't. But from everything I've heard about his 3 years at ole miss none of this stuff you mentioned seemed to be the problem. His problem was how he coached during the season, how he tinkered and micromanaged everything, and how he acted. So if there are some kind of article stating that he had problems with these things that'd be an article I'd like to read.
This post was edited on 10/24/16 at 11:20 am
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