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re: Since The Binder is being sold as the "continuity" coach, rebuilding time?
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:47 pm to Clockwatcher68
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:47 pm to Clockwatcher68
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The head coach has to recruit players that can execute and hire the coaches responsible for ensuring that they will execute. I hate the "players didn't execute" argument, even though it might not be fairly applied to O as an interim coach.
I think that anyone looking from the outside can look at the last play against Florida and say "Guice blew it". But being at the game and watching it in its entirety it's clear it was a team loss. We got to the red zone 5 times and only scored twice. We drove easily on Florida most of the game. But we couldn't finish. Being perfect in the redzone is a difficult task for sure, Especially against an SEC team. We were less than 50 percent.
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Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:48 pm to Prominentwon
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there are strong rumors that it's K
Kiffin is leaving Alabama talent and Saban to coach under O? He would have to be a bigger fool than Alleva.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:48 pm to The Eric
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But being at the game and watching it in its entirety it's clear it was a team loss.
No we have to strip every game of context and narrative so that it fits a very narrow and particular agenda. It's straight black and white. The loss is entirely on Guice's shoulders.
Posted on 11/26/16 at 11:59 pm to wildtigercat93
I really do not want to defend O here, and blaming a loss under O on a player while attributing all Miles losses to Miles is clearly BS...
But Miles had been here for years. It was entirely his program, done his way, with his players. We begged, even demanded he make changes, and the only changes he made were superficial at best. He was still losing games this year by making the same stupid mistakes on fundamental things that he was making his first year here.
O was handed the reins of a program at least on the verge of decline, if not actually in decline, with no QB, an injured Fournette, and players who looked like they had given up. Anyone who says Miles would have finished this season with the same record as O simply wasn't paying attention.
I'm not saying that to pump up O as much as to try to recognize how bad things were starting to slip under Miles. Am I the only one who remembers that 4 game losing streak last year?
Scoring zero points against Bama was awful. Worse was the decision to go back to the completely busted Miles playbook for the Bama game when we had had some success spreading things out and using some misdirection in a couple games before that. That was O's real mistake in the Bama game.
I'm not going to defend the Florida loss. That was a shite show. O screwed the pooch. And both Herman and Fisher have screwed the pooch in games before too. Even St Nick got cornholed by UL Monroe, etc.
Herman or Fisher have proven themselves to be better coaches than O. But Miles was done. Go back and look at the way the team played in the Miles games this year and compare them to how the team played in the O games. It is a demonstrable improvement. Better execution, fewer penalties, more heart, better playcalling, etc. Not perfect, not even close, but better than the shite Miles was crapping out there. The team looked better in the Bama loss than it did in the two Miles wins this year (except Etling, but you can't honestly believe Miles could have gotten us better QB play against Bama, and F anyone who says we should have put in Harris who couldn't even break the huddle without f'n up, he would have turned the ball over 5 times in his first 3 downs).
To say that a 2017 Miles season would be better than a 2017 Orgeron season is just plain butthurt. In Miles' prime, maybe, but not after what he brought in 2015/2016.
But Miles had been here for years. It was entirely his program, done his way, with his players. We begged, even demanded he make changes, and the only changes he made were superficial at best. He was still losing games this year by making the same stupid mistakes on fundamental things that he was making his first year here.
O was handed the reins of a program at least on the verge of decline, if not actually in decline, with no QB, an injured Fournette, and players who looked like they had given up. Anyone who says Miles would have finished this season with the same record as O simply wasn't paying attention.
I'm not saying that to pump up O as much as to try to recognize how bad things were starting to slip under Miles. Am I the only one who remembers that 4 game losing streak last year?
Scoring zero points against Bama was awful. Worse was the decision to go back to the completely busted Miles playbook for the Bama game when we had had some success spreading things out and using some misdirection in a couple games before that. That was O's real mistake in the Bama game.
I'm not going to defend the Florida loss. That was a shite show. O screwed the pooch. And both Herman and Fisher have screwed the pooch in games before too. Even St Nick got cornholed by UL Monroe, etc.
Herman or Fisher have proven themselves to be better coaches than O. But Miles was done. Go back and look at the way the team played in the Miles games this year and compare them to how the team played in the O games. It is a demonstrable improvement. Better execution, fewer penalties, more heart, better playcalling, etc. Not perfect, not even close, but better than the shite Miles was crapping out there. The team looked better in the Bama loss than it did in the two Miles wins this year (except Etling, but you can't honestly believe Miles could have gotten us better QB play against Bama, and F anyone who says we should have put in Harris who couldn't even break the huddle without f'n up, he would have turned the ball over 5 times in his first 3 downs).
To say that a 2017 Miles season would be better than a 2017 Orgeron season is just plain butthurt. In Miles' prime, maybe, but not after what he brought in 2015/2016.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 12:11 am to Tommy Longbaugh
I don't think anyone is making an argument that Miles shouldn't have been fired
Posted on 11/27/16 at 12:14 am to wildtigercat93
Oh.
Well, I guess I wrote all that long arse rambling spiel for nothing.
My bad.
Well, I guess I wrote all that long arse rambling spiel for nothing.
My bad.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 12:42 am to Tommy Longbaugh
I gave Miles one hell of a leash during his tenure here, was done with him last year, allowed myself to get sucked into the "he's changed" narrative. But after seeing that Wisconsin game he was indefensible. I have no ill will towards him but he was clearly done
But it also makes me wary of similar traits that Orgeron has shown this season. Benching a player for a fumble, sluggish starts against lesser competition (people conviently forget we were tied 10-10 with a D2 squad at half time, and have had slow starts in a lot of games this year), going into an offensive shell in big games, bad clock management, having to use timeouts early in the game because of various reasons etc etc
We needed change from Miles, not just in taking him out, but culturally we needed a change. This half assed pivot we are doing is the definition of insanity.
But it also makes me wary of similar traits that Orgeron has shown this season. Benching a player for a fumble, sluggish starts against lesser competition (people conviently forget we were tied 10-10 with a D2 squad at half time, and have had slow starts in a lot of games this year), going into an offensive shell in big games, bad clock management, having to use timeouts early in the game because of various reasons etc etc
We needed change from Miles, not just in taking him out, but culturally we needed a change. This half assed pivot we are doing is the definition of insanity.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 12:52 am to SlowFlowPro
fricking crybabies.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:26 am to SlowFlowPro
Tennessee won the BCSNC the year after Manning left, by that notion LSU wins the CFPNC the year after LF7 leaves.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:31 am to Tommy Longbaugh
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Herman or Fisher have proven themselves to be better coaches than O.
BS, Coach O would not have lost to Navy Memphis SMU L'ville GaTech etc
Posted on 11/27/16 at 1:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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like i said earlier. it's not that i want him to fail. i just know he's going to fail
i think he'll keep Aranda and get Kiffin and we'll have 3 regular season losses next year and he'll get a pass b/c the schedule will be tough
then aranda/kiffin will bolt and we will be frickED
Pretty much a given
Posted on 11/27/16 at 2:07 am to IvanCCCP
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BS, Coach O would not have lost to Navy Memphis SMU L'ville GaTech etc
His career at ole miss disagrees
Fisher has a national championship in case you forgot
Posted on 11/27/16 at 2:24 am to Prominentwon
Lsu couldve had a different game plan vs Bama THIS YEAR. The plays were already in the playbook, I know that because I watched the mizzou game.
We ran none of those plays. They thought the best chance to win was to go puckered a-hole.
That's on O
We ran none of those plays. They thought the best chance to win was to go puckered a-hole.
That's on O
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