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re: Randy Rosetta confirms Kragthorpe is the new OC
Posted on 1/20/11 at 2:11 pm to deuce985
Posted on 1/20/11 at 2:11 pm to deuce985
quote:
I think this guy is overrated with QBs. Who has he actually developed a full 4 years that turned out worth a damn?
What's your definition of "worth a damn?"
Paul Smith posted a career high in completion % under him.
Mark Farris had the best year of his career under him at A&M. Same with McCown, before him.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 2:12 pm to tigersandjets
It can be worse than Crowton.
Gary Crowton (Total offense)
2001 BYU HC #1
2002 BYU HC #50
2003 BYU HC # 102
2004 BYU HC#58
2005 Oregon OC #22
2006 Oregon OC #13
2007 LSU OC #9
2008 LSU OC #51
2009 LSU OC #102
2010 LSU OC #81
vs.
Steve Kragthorpe (Total offense)
1998 Texas A&M OC #91
1999 Texas A&M OC #58
2000 Texas A&M OC #49
2003 Tulsa HC #51
2004 Tulsa HC #73
2005 Tulsa HC #39
2006 Tulsa HC #24
2007 Louisville HC #6
2008 Louisville HC #45
2009 Louisville HC #91
10 years each.
Gary Crowton, average rank in total offense: 49th
Steve Kragthorpe, average rank in total offense: 53rd
Gary Crowton (Total offense)
2001 BYU HC #1
2002 BYU HC #50
2003 BYU HC # 102
2004 BYU HC#58
2005 Oregon OC #22
2006 Oregon OC #13
2007 LSU OC #9
2008 LSU OC #51
2009 LSU OC #102
2010 LSU OC #81
vs.
Steve Kragthorpe (Total offense)
1998 Texas A&M OC #91
1999 Texas A&M OC #58
2000 Texas A&M OC #49
2003 Tulsa HC #51
2004 Tulsa HC #73
2005 Tulsa HC #39
2006 Tulsa HC #24
2007 Louisville HC #6
2008 Louisville HC #45
2009 Louisville HC #91
10 years each.
Gary Crowton, average rank in total offense: 49th
Steve Kragthorpe, average rank in total offense: 53rd
This post was edited on 1/20/11 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 1/20/11 at 2:13 pm to tigersandjets
quote:
Gary Crowton, average rank in total offense: 49th
Steve Kragthorpe, average rank in total offense: 53rd
I can think of few things worse than "Total Offense" stat comparisons.
Stats are like bikinis. What they REVEAL is interesting. What they HIDE is vital.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 2:30 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
quote:
I enjoyed the Cotton Bowl
I did too but I didn't enjoy the other 8 bad games in a row he played for us

Posted on 1/20/11 at 3:00 pm to CP3LSU25
"From 1991 until 1995, Belichick was the head coach of the Cleveland Browns. During his tenure in Cleveland he compiled a 36–44 record"
Bill Belichick was named New England Patriots head coach in 2000, succeeding Pete Carroll. His first year he went 5-11. The rest is history.
Saban with the Dolphins go 9-7 (not bad for first year NFL HC), then goes 6-10.
Pete Carroll in the NFL had winning seasons 2/6 years.
Steve Spurrier with Redskins goes 7-9 and 5-11
Steve Spurrier with S. Car. goes, 7-5, 8-5, 6-6, 7-6, 7-6, 9-5
Mack Brown went 5-10 last year and he recruits the best of the best.
Joe Paterno's worst records include, 3-9 (2003), 4-7 (2004),
Bobby Bowden in his last 4 yrs, 7-6, 7-6, 9-4, 7-6.
Charlie Weis as New England OC goes 5-11, 9-7, 14-2, 14-2,
Charlie Weis as Notre Dame HC goes 9-3, 10-3, 3-9, 7-6, 6-6.
I could go on and on, but look at the coaches above and notice one thing. Every coach has failures. Maybe Krag had a rough go at Louisville, but I think its hard to judge a coach just by the numbers, which is exactly what us fans can only do. Its really hard to judge by wins/losses. Hard to judge by offensive and defensive rankings. I think when the right coach finds the right opportunity at the right time and under the right circumstances success can breed, but unfortunately under the wrong circumstances can breed failure.
Remember this always, Gary Crowton Coordinated the MOST PROLIFIC OFFENSE IN LSU HISTORY, yet most agree that his time here resulted in failure.
Bill Belichick was named New England Patriots head coach in 2000, succeeding Pete Carroll. His first year he went 5-11. The rest is history.
Saban with the Dolphins go 9-7 (not bad for first year NFL HC), then goes 6-10.
Pete Carroll in the NFL had winning seasons 2/6 years.
Steve Spurrier with Redskins goes 7-9 and 5-11
Steve Spurrier with S. Car. goes, 7-5, 8-5, 6-6, 7-6, 7-6, 9-5
Mack Brown went 5-10 last year and he recruits the best of the best.
Joe Paterno's worst records include, 3-9 (2003), 4-7 (2004),
Bobby Bowden in his last 4 yrs, 7-6, 7-6, 9-4, 7-6.
Charlie Weis as New England OC goes 5-11, 9-7, 14-2, 14-2,
Charlie Weis as Notre Dame HC goes 9-3, 10-3, 3-9, 7-6, 6-6.
I could go on and on, but look at the coaches above and notice one thing. Every coach has failures. Maybe Krag had a rough go at Louisville, but I think its hard to judge a coach just by the numbers, which is exactly what us fans can only do. Its really hard to judge by wins/losses. Hard to judge by offensive and defensive rankings. I think when the right coach finds the right opportunity at the right time and under the right circumstances success can breed, but unfortunately under the wrong circumstances can breed failure.
Remember this always, Gary Crowton Coordinated the MOST PROLIFIC OFFENSE IN LSU HISTORY, yet most agree that his time here resulted in failure.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 3:00 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
quote:
Stats are like bikinis. What they REVEAL is interesting. What they HIDE is vital.
That is some profound shite right there.

Posted on 1/20/11 at 3:02 pm to tigersandjets
quote:
Gary Crowton (Total offense)
2001 BYU HC #1
2002 BYU HC #50
2003 BYU HC # 102
2004 BYU HC#58
2005 Oregon OC #22
2006 Oregon OC #13
2007 LSU OC #9
2008 LSU OC #51
2009 LSU OC #102
2010 LSU OC #81
vs.
Steve Kragthorpe (Total offense)
1998 Texas A&M OC #91
1999 Texas A&M OC #58
2000 Texas A&M OC #49
2003 Tulsa HC #51
2004 Tulsa HC #73
2005 Tulsa HC #39
2006 Tulsa HC #24
2007 Louisville HC #6
2008 Louisville HC #45
2009 Louisville HC #91
With one exception, Crowton's offenses got worse the longer he stayed at a program. With one exception, Krag's got better.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 3:03 pm to tigerbill002
quote:
tigerbill002
Great post.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 3:06 pm to tigersandjets
All of these teams:
had/have aaaaaaaaaalot more talent than ANY of these teams:
1998 Texas A&M OC #91
1999 Texas A&M OC #58
2000 Texas A&M OC #49
2003 Tulsa HC #51
2004 Tulsa HC #73
2005 Tulsa HC #39
2006 Tulsa HC #24
2007 Louisville HC #6
2008 Louisville HC #45
2009 Louisville HC #91
btw, the Tulsa team he took over wasnt the Tulsa we know know with number 1 offenses and shite..they had won 7 games in THREE years when he got there and took them to 3 bowls in 4 seasons.The guy can coach football
quote:
2001 BYU HC #1
2002 BYU HC #50
2003 BYU HC # 102
2004 BYU HC#58
2005 Oregon OC #22
2006 Oregon OC #13
2007 LSU OC #9
2008 LSU OC #51
2009 LSU OC #102
2010 LSU OC #81
had/have aaaaaaaaaalot more talent than ANY of these teams:
1998 Texas A&M OC #91
1999 Texas A&M OC #58
2000 Texas A&M OC #49
2003 Tulsa HC #51
2004 Tulsa HC #73
2005 Tulsa HC #39
2006 Tulsa HC #24
2007 Louisville HC #6
2008 Louisville HC #45
2009 Louisville HC #91
btw, the Tulsa team he took over wasnt the Tulsa we know know with number 1 offenses and shite..they had won 7 games in THREE years when he got there and took them to 3 bowls in 4 seasons.The guy can coach football
Posted on 1/20/11 at 3:23 pm to tigersandjets
quote:
Gary Crowton (Total offense)
2001 BYU HC #1
2002 BYU HC #50
2003 BYU HC # 102
2004 BYU HC#58
2005 Oregon OC #22
2006 Oregon OC #13
2007 LSU OC #9
2008 LSU OC #51
2009 LSU OC #102
2010 LSU OC #81
Crowton was HC at La. Tech and an OC for Chicago Bears. Where are those stats?
Posted on 1/20/11 at 3:24 pm to Hair of the Dog
quote:
Crowton was HC at La. Tech and an OC for Chicago Bears. Where are those stats?
quote:
10 years each.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 3:31 pm to BilJ
Absolutely love this hire.
WE WILL FINALLY HAVE AN IDENTITY ON OFFENSE!!
WHOOOOO
WE WILL FINALLY HAVE AN IDENTITY ON OFFENSE!!
WHOOOOO
Posted on 1/20/11 at 3:35 pm to c on z
quote:
He could have followed Petrino during his days at Louisville, but then again he ain't an easy guy to follow these days.
Patrino is, was, and always will be a classless thug. Look what he did to Atlanta. Krags took on a losing battle at Louisville. IMO
Posted on 1/20/11 at 3:38 pm to BilJ
Any word on a presser? LSU official announcement? Ott said probably tomorrow...anyone else heard?
Posted on 1/20/11 at 3:41 pm to OBUDan
who called the plays when he was at Tulsa?
Posted on 1/20/11 at 4:14 pm to Prominentwon
quote:
Saw your brother on a billboard today
One ugly bastard

Posted on 1/20/11 at 4:18 pm to Linkovich
Fairly good hire.....we'll see.
I do remember when Pelini was hired a lot of folks on this board thought it was a terrible move back then.......
I do remember when Pelini was hired a lot of folks on this board thought it was a terrible move back then.......

Posted on 1/20/11 at 4:19 pm to OBUDan
quote:
But check out where his OC from Tulsa is now:
Took me forever to find that and you had beat me to it.

quote:
Big time BBQ party!
Oooooohhh....Must be some sort of conspiracy some people won't like. Miles must have caught wind of this all the while Kragthorpe was painting the picture for him.
Can't imagine the grills that will be lit at Stud's house.
Posted on 1/20/11 at 4:22 pm to Prominentwon
Stubbs, Miles, Billy, and Stud will get together, roast a pig and talk foosball while Frank Wilson does all the recruiting and shite.
They may even have Gary back once Maryland's season ends in late November.
They may even have Gary back once Maryland's season ends in late November.
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