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re: Pushing a successful coach out is dangerous.

Posted on 11/20/15 at 11:06 am to
Posted by LSU GrandDad
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Posted on 11/20/15 at 11:06 am to
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but you better have your top choice committed before you pull the trigger


surely you are not this nieve.
Posted by genro
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Posted on 11/20/15 at 11:12 am to
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Any examples of the opposite? 
Florida State
Posted by El Magnifico
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Posted on 11/20/15 at 11:15 am to
LSU will only fire Miles if they have a huge hire in their back pocket ready to go 48-72 hrs later. Can't risk losing the #1 recruiting class.

(IF they're smart)
This post was edited on 11/20/15 at 11:15 am
Posted by cardboardboxer
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Posted on 11/20/15 at 12:55 pm to
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Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. ohio st pushed Tressel out and then they won a Natty.



They didn't really push him out. A scandal did.

And Ohio St. is the exception, not the rule. There isn't a lot of Urban Meyers going around. There are a lot more Al Goldens or Charlie Strongs.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 11/20/15 at 1:56 pm to
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So are you expecting another plane crash while recruiting for LSU's hire post-Miles like what happened to Bo Rein? People forget how much that damaged LSU long term. They had a great coach in place and had to scramble to hire someone and ended up with Stovall. They then turn around and get a legit coach in Arnsparger who bolts to be an AD at UF after only 3 years. They then scramble to promote his assistant rather than an experienced coach.
OR, they could have let Mac leave on his own terms like they should have done.
Posted by ballscaster
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Posted on 11/20/15 at 1:57 pm to
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I'm not saying they shouldn't fire Miles...but you better have your top choice committed before you pull the trigger.

Yep. I said "Careful," not "No."
Posted by ballscaster
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Posted on 11/20/15 at 1:57 pm to
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MSU fan telling LSU fans about expectations? Wow what has the SEC come too?

Just an avi. I graduated from LSU.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 11/20/15 at 2:00 pm to
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shula, who was a 9-10 game winner each yr
Alabama only won 9+ games one time under Shula, and those wins were vacated.
Posted by ballscaster
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Posted on 11/20/15 at 2:03 pm to
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Florida State

Probably the only legit example we'll get in this thread, and it's funny how legit it is.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 11/20/15 at 2:04 pm to
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What has Texas done since they got rid of Mack? Nothing that Mack couldn't do.

What has Tennessee done since they got rid of Phil? Nothing that Phil couldn't do.


Both are where they are because they waited too long to make a move

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What did LSU do in the 20 or so years after getting rid of Chollie? Nothing that Chollie couldn't do.


The coach we hired to replace him died in a plane crash. If Chollie had just beaten FSU his last year then Bobby Bowden said himself he would have taken the job.

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Hell, what has LSU basketball done in the seven years after getting rid of even John Brady? Nothing that Brady couldn't do.


You really comparing LSU football to LSU basketball? And even so at no point did LSU fans want brady back

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Any examples of the opposite?


Much fewer examples of programs pushing a coach out a year too early like they should. John Cooper is the only one that comes to mind and Ohio State won the NC almost immediately.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 11/20/15 at 2:10 pm to
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John Cooper is the only one that comes to mind and Ohio State won the NC almost immediately.
This is an interesting example--I'll give you that--but he went from 11-1 to 10 losses over the next two seasons; I don't think Miles will ever have 10 losses in two seasons.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 11/20/15 at 2:12 pm to
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I don't think Miles will ever have 10 losses in two seasons.


Lose tomorrow and that's 8
Posted by ballscaster
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26861 posts
Posted on 11/20/15 at 2:14 pm to
At any rate, Cooper wasn't nearly as successful as Miles has been. Cooper lost more often than Miles did, which is why Miles should probably have a longer leash.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 11/20/15 at 2:16 pm to



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At any rate, Cooper wasn't nearly as successful as Miles has been.


Cooper was 111-43-4 at tOSU
Posted by lurkr
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 11/20/15 at 2:27 pm to
No it's not, we are LSU, every coach will pay us to coach here.
Posted by More&Les
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Posted on 11/20/15 at 2:55 pm to
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Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 11/20/15 at 3:01 pm to
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Cooper was 111-43-4 at tOSU

Yep. Worst out of the last five non-interim tOSU coaches. Miles has the best non-interim LSU record in over 100 years.

.780 is way better than .715, by the way.
This post was edited on 11/20/15 at 3:02 pm
Posted by south bama tiger
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 11/20/15 at 3:26 pm to
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hey didn't really push him out. A scandal did.

And Ohio St. is the exception, not the rule. There isn't a lot of Urban Meyers going around. There are a lot more Al Goldens or Charlie Strongs.



Tressel would still be at Ohio State if scandal hadn't brought him down.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 11/20/15 at 3:59 pm to
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Tressel would still be at Ohio State if scandal hadn't brought him down.

Also, Meyer hasn't done anything at Ohio State that Tressel couldn't do. I'm not sure this example works on either end.
Posted by FightinTiga
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Posted on 11/20/15 at 4:29 pm to
I know this is difficult for you but try to be strong everything will be okay
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