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re: OFFICIAL Arkansas Coaching Search Thread
Posted on 7/18/12 at 5:44 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 7/18/12 at 5:44 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Pretty much yeah
And Jordan Jefferson's "skill" was 100% due to Miles, right?
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Posted on 7/18/12 at 5:44 pm to piggilicious
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The Baldwins, the Jackson's- how about Drewbie pulls a kardashian/JLS and puts some hot piss on ya?
Frank Stallone would have been a great Rocky
Posted on 7/18/12 at 5:45 pm to Jon Ham
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And Jordan Jefferson's "skill" was 100% due to Miles, right?
Crowton
Posted on 7/18/12 at 5:46 pm to Drewbie
quote:this evidence you are presenting is actually in Drac's favor. Considering this would point to it not being about who was qb and to petrino as the consistent force between the two years.
Two different QB's leading the league in passing back to back years is JUST the coach? Has nothing to do with bringing in good talent or anything?
Posted on 7/18/12 at 5:51 pm to Drewbie
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People who think Paul Petrino is unable to run an effective offense automatically lose my attention in any matter regarding the Arkansas coaching situation. It's blatant ignorance if you think he can't run the offense to Bobby's standards
I have no information, just my gut feeling here. I'm thinking one of the reasons BP stayed in NWA other than genuinely loving it here, is to help guide Paul. To literally mentor from a distance, to be able to be close to the program w/o being a part of it officially or even to the naked eye.
If BP wanted to lay low and let the storm pass he'd be out in Montana hanging around Carroll College or chilling Marlboro Man style. I think he's still in NWA to have dinner with Paul, watch tape, give his input, and really teach Paul what it takes to run a program top to bottom, inside and out.
As for the offense, I'm not exactly worried about it this year. Next season is a different story. No Tyler, No Cobi, No Gragg, No Knile, No Alvin Bailey, No DJ. The offense is losing a ton of talent after this season and this season they'd better build up the depth so those guys are ready to step up.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 5:51 pm to oklahogjr
Petrino's offense REQUIRES a very skilled QB to operate. Very few QB's in college football have the pressure that Petrino's QB have to face, taking on blitzes routinely while having to make multiple reads in a sophisticated passing attack. Saying Arkansas' QB success has been almost entirely due to scheme and play calling is just ignorant. Look at the difference of the offense from when Dick was here to when we had Mallett and Wilson; night and day.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 5:51 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Saying Paul will pick up right where Bobby left off is like saying 30 Rock wouldn't miss a beat if Billy Baldwin took over for Alec
Posted on 7/18/12 at 5:55 pm to Jon Ham
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Petrino's offense REQUIRES a very skilled QB to operate. Very few QB's in college football have the pressure that Petrino's QB have to face, taking on blitzes routinely while having to make multiple reads in a sophisticated passing attack. Saying Arkansas' QB success has been almost entirely due to scheme and play calling is just ignorant. Look at the difference of the offense from when Dick was here to when we had Mallett and Wilson; night and day.
The QB talent level has been a factor but Dick looked like a mediocre qb. Petrino's system and playcalling have made qbs better since he was at louisville.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 5:56 pm to oklahogjr
and better QB's make Petrino's offense better.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 5:58 pm to Jon Ham
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and better QB's make Petrino's offense better.
Yes but which has more effect on the other. The evidence points to petrino who consistently spits out crazy numbers from his qb while his qbs go on to not produce in the nfl.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 6:00 pm to oklahogjr
This photo alone raises JLS stock 10 fold.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 6:05 pm to oklahogjr
When you see Ryan Mallett throw a dart 25 yards across the field hitting his receiver in stride, that's pure talent. Petrino's offense put him in the position to make that play, but he made throws no one else in college football could make. Also, he was a field general which is a quality lacking in most college QB's today who are mostly looking to the sideline for all the directions.
When you see Tyler Wilson getting nailed play after play due to Petrino's wide open offense, yet he still stand in there and throws the ball on the money, that's pure guts and skill. Again, Petrino's system put him in position to make those plays, but there were probably fewer than 5 QB's in the nation who could do what Tyler consistently did last season. When plays broke down and he had to run for his life and still make accurate throws, that was all Tyler.
Any coach can draw up a passing offense and dedicate a lot of time to develop it, but if you don't have the talent to execute it, it's going to fail, especially in college where brute athletic talent wins out over skill and scheme more times than not.
When you see Tyler Wilson getting nailed play after play due to Petrino's wide open offense, yet he still stand in there and throws the ball on the money, that's pure guts and skill. Again, Petrino's system put him in position to make those plays, but there were probably fewer than 5 QB's in the nation who could do what Tyler consistently did last season. When plays broke down and he had to run for his life and still make accurate throws, that was all Tyler.
Any coach can draw up a passing offense and dedicate a lot of time to develop it, but if you don't have the talent to execute it, it's going to fail, especially in college where brute athletic talent wins out over skill and scheme more times than not.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 6:05 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
Ya know who else used to wear boots? Nolan.
NC here we come.
NC here we come.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 6:17 pm to oklahogjr
quote:Or two top QB recruits?
Considering this would point to it not being about who was qb and to petrino as the consistent force between the two years.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 7:11 pm to oklahogjr
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while his qbs go on to not produce in the nfl.
The only QB that had close to mallett or wilson's skill level was brohm...i don't think theres enough evidence to say that for sure. Guys like lefors and redman wouldn't have been good anyways. We'll see how Mallett does.
I mean Wilson is a 4* QB, then we have allen who pretty much was too, and we have his brother who is an elite 11 QB, and rafe peavey committed who will be a top QB in his class. If their rankings are accurate we will be fine at QB with or without BP
Posted on 7/18/12 at 7:29 pm to gohogs141
quote:If they stay. It all depends on who we hire.
If their rankings are accurate we will be fine at QB with or without BP
Posted on 7/18/12 at 7:32 pm to Jon Ham
Dana Holgerson says hello
Posted on 7/18/12 at 10:02 pm to LSUNV
Tell him we're holding out for better but we'll put him on speed dial.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 10:23 pm to LSUNV
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Dana Holgerson says hello
That would upset me greatly. He's another Bobby Petrino waiting to happen just with more booze and less hot women.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 11:44 pm to oklahogjr
Vandy Media Guide/ Coach's Bios
Looking through Vandy's media guide and their assistant coaches. This was spurned on by Mullen3:16's thread wondering how hot Franklin's assistant's wives were. Consensus is Franklin is full of it, their wives are horses and a Terry Mills clone.
I read further into each coach's background and found a disturbing pattern. The assistants all pretty much suck.
Franklin's bio too isn't that shiny. Played at East Stroudsburg, got his start there. After a year went to James Madison, Washington St., Idaho St. for a year at a time. Did 2 internships in the NFL minority fellows program, did not get any offers, wound up with the fat man at Maryland for 4 years.
Then he spent a year in the NFL was a WR coach with the Packers, was back in college the next season. 2 years at K-State as OC with Ron Prince, then back at Maryland as OC/ast. HNIC/QB coach.
Franklin is touted as a QB developer but I don't see it. Josh Freeman was drafted on potential not accomplishments in college. Jordan Rogers isn't exactly wowing anybody. Maryland's QB weren't worth a crap either when he was there.
I think I bought into the Franklin hype because he's all hype.
A pattern with his Vandy assistants is they all played at tiny schools in the NE, they are all around his age, they have very little experience at big time schools if any. I'll argue they have no experience at big time programs. Pretty obvious he's only hiring guys like himself and that he does not have a very wide swath to his coaching network.
Franklin is not the guy we want. We have 6 assistants on staff with a better resume than Franklin, that have been coaching for big time programs as long as he's been in the business. Our assistants have helped put a ton of guys into the NFL, many that were drafted high and are doing really well for themselves.
Verdict: James Franklin is the Flavor Flav of the coaching world.
Looking through Vandy's media guide and their assistant coaches. This was spurned on by Mullen3:16's thread wondering how hot Franklin's assistant's wives were. Consensus is Franklin is full of it, their wives are horses and a Terry Mills clone.
I read further into each coach's background and found a disturbing pattern. The assistants all pretty much suck.
Franklin's bio too isn't that shiny. Played at East Stroudsburg, got his start there. After a year went to James Madison, Washington St., Idaho St. for a year at a time. Did 2 internships in the NFL minority fellows program, did not get any offers, wound up with the fat man at Maryland for 4 years.
Then he spent a year in the NFL was a WR coach with the Packers, was back in college the next season. 2 years at K-State as OC with Ron Prince, then back at Maryland as OC/ast. HNIC/QB coach.
Franklin is touted as a QB developer but I don't see it. Josh Freeman was drafted on potential not accomplishments in college. Jordan Rogers isn't exactly wowing anybody. Maryland's QB weren't worth a crap either when he was there.
I think I bought into the Franklin hype because he's all hype.
A pattern with his Vandy assistants is they all played at tiny schools in the NE, they are all around his age, they have very little experience at big time schools if any. I'll argue they have no experience at big time programs. Pretty obvious he's only hiring guys like himself and that he does not have a very wide swath to his coaching network.
Franklin is not the guy we want. We have 6 assistants on staff with a better resume than Franklin, that have been coaching for big time programs as long as he's been in the business. Our assistants have helped put a ton of guys into the NFL, many that were drafted high and are doing really well for themselves.
Verdict: James Franklin is the Flavor Flav of the coaching world.
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