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re: OFFICIAL- Mike Vrabel to Patriots
Posted on 1/12/25 at 11:44 am to wildtigercat93
Posted on 1/12/25 at 11:44 am to wildtigercat93
I understand what you are saying and agree that interviewing a wide net of candidates can be helpful in future hiring. However in a case like this where it is obvious what the final outcome will be it’s insulting to have a coach come in just to fill a ‘quota’.
And about the Glenn situation it was obvious to him where the team was going and that he was being "used" to fill that quota. So that is actually more harmful to the organization in future dealings with him. The coaches are grown ups and understand that this is a business.
And about the Glenn situation it was obvious to him where the team was going and that he was being "used" to fill that quota. So that is actually more harmful to the organization in future dealings with him. The coaches are grown ups and understand that this is a business.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 11:48 am to dupergreenie
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And about the Glenn situation it was obvious to him where the team was going and that he was being "used" to fill that quota. So that is actually more harmful to the organization in future dealings with him. The coaches are grown ups and understand that this is a business.
All the more reason not to operate your search like this. They are the ones choosing to not take these seriously and not bring in candidates that both fill that criteria and are legitimate coaching candidates
And again I understand the mechanics of this specific search were driven by Vrabel being available right away and having multiple suitors. But when I see teams making a joke of the rule, to me it’s more of an indictment of that team or search than it is of the rule itself.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 12:02 pm to wildtigercat93
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They are the ones choosing to not take these seriously and not bring in candidates that both fill that criteria and are legitimate coaching candidates
The organization knows who they want though. There is no reason to waste anyone’s time in this situation. There is almost no way any coach who interviewed for this job (of any race) thought that they had a shot at landing the Pats job.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 12:08 pm to dupergreenie
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The organization knows who they want though.
Bad process. Especially for a team who hasn’t held a real HC interview in 25 plus years. Never bringing into outside voices is what lead to the pats front office, coaching staffs and scouting teams just skrinking and shrinking over the last 15 years because it was only filled with guys who were guys inside the pats circles and they never tried to replenish that talent
Chargers knew they were hiring Harbaugh last year but still went through 15 interviews with other candidates. Not because of the Rooney rule, but because it’s good process and got them worlds more information than they had before
If the negative you are describing is that it forces teams to not predetermine their hire and make more informed decisions, then I think that’s an argument for the rule- not against.
Now as I mentioned I think there are some overall changes to the coaching rules, not even Rooney specific, that I think could better help resolve some of the clunkier scenarios and had more to do with this search. But again no interview is a sham until the NFL team makes it one.
I also strongly disagree that it’s a waste of time for either party.
This post was edited on 1/12/25 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 1/12/25 at 12:40 pm to wildtigercat93
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the negative you are describing is that it forces teams to not predetermine their hire and make more informed decisions, then I think that’s an argument for the rule- not against.
There is no way around fixing this. If a team knows who they want to hire then it’s likely going to happen. So yeah it is a waste of time.
I’m not arguing with you that it’s smart to interview as many coaches as possible so you can hire the best candidate. I just don’t think that a team has to interview coaches who they won’t hire.
Again this is kind of Patriots specific. It’s not like the Jags or Bears openings. Where a former player who also was a head coach is available.
I think you and I agree to a certain extent. I agree that a team should conduct interviews to hire the best coach. I just don’t agree that a team needs to interview coaches who won’t be hired when that team KNOWS who they want/are going to hire.
If hiring the same type of coach leads to that organization failing then it’s on the organization to go find the coach to fix it….not the nfl.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 12:50 pm to dupergreenie
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There is no way around fixing this. If a team knows who they want to hire then it’s likely going to happen. So yeah it is a waste of time.
Well for one, holding teams accountable publically when they conduct interviews this way will help ensure it happens, certainly more so than “well we tried and now we’re just gonna do nothing”
Again, teams gets valuable info, and the candidate gets valuable interview experience. Only a waste of time if the team chooses it to be.
Also, teams have nothing but time to waste. It isn’t college where there’s recruiting. League is basically iced until the new league year starts. I don’t really care if the owners need to take a couple extra interviews, they should be doing that anyway.
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hiring the same type of coach leads to that organization failing then it’s on the organization to go find the coach to fix it….not the nfl.
Not entirely specific to you, but this is the line where the RR arguments start being a bit disingenuous because no one is making the pats select anyone they don’t want. They are still hiring Vrabel. This is forces good process on teams, which is a benefit for all parties- the candidate, the team, and the league to further promote more broad searches and higher quality pools of candidates as a result than just the owner calling his old buddy to coach the team.
If the team wants to roll their eyes at that opportunity and ignore that, that’s on them and their fans should not be cool with that but it doesn’t really make a good argument for dumping the rule, and imo only gives more credence to its purpose
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