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Posted on 11/29/07 at 12:05 pm to DrEdgeLSU
There are many of us (myself included) that believe his interest in the job when Saban left was a ploy to get more money from Wayne Weaver. He was the second lowest paid coach in the NFL at the time.
Posted on 11/29/07 at 12:07 pm to tigerchad11
I love how people make these random connections, like the LSU job is just a dream job for a highly successful NFL coach because his daughter goes to school here. It makes no sense and is based on something that is not reality. Thanks tigerchad for bring some of that reality to this thread.
LSU is looking for someone who wants to be retire at LSU. Del Rio isn't that guy. He's tasted the sweet NFL success (and still is) -- why on earth is he going to give that up?
LSU is looking for someone who wants to be retire at LSU. Del Rio isn't that guy. He's tasted the sweet NFL success (and still is) -- why on earth is he going to give that up?
Posted on 11/29/07 at 12:09 pm to tigerchad11
It makes me nervious hiring a guy who has never coached in college. You have to wonder how weel he would adjust to the substantial differences in the HC position, including recruiting, different level of players to coach and methods of coaching, not having the players "working" at football all day, etc. Somehow, I think a proven college coach would be better. This guy has no track record that shows he will succeed at LSU. I could care less if he had 100 kids and they all went here.
There's a coach in Idaho who has won a BCS bowl and currently makes less than $1 mil per year. We double his salary and have one of the best young coaches in the nation. Surely, that makes much more sense than Del Rio.
There's a coach in Idaho who has won a BCS bowl and currently makes less than $1 mil per year. We double his salary and have one of the best young coaches in the nation. Surely, that makes much more sense than Del Rio.
Posted on 11/29/07 at 12:09 pm to DrEdgeLSU
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You bring up Weis, who in his 3rd year of recruiting his guys, went 3-9 and had one of the worst offenses in the country, for a purported offensive genius. Great example!
Yes Weiss is a terrible head coach. No one argues that. The point was you act like it is impossible for a college to hire a coach that has to finish out the NFL playoffs with his old team.
Weiss took the job with ND, set up a staff to recruit, made a few recruiting calls as night, and stayed with the Pats to the Super Bowl.
Posted on 11/29/07 at 12:09 pm to DrEdgeLSU
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LSU is looking for someone who wants to be retire at LSU
link?
Posted on 11/29/07 at 12:11 pm to DrEdgeLSU
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I love how people make these random connections, like the LSU job is just a dream job for a highly successful NFL coach because his daughter goes to school here.
I believe I gave a few more reasons than that.
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It makes no sense and is based on something that is not reality.
Reality is he has ties to this area.
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Thanks tigerchad for bring some of that reality to this thread.
Possibly, however the guy was in the playoffs, he was going to get a raise.
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LSU is looking for someone who wants to be retire at LSU.
Did an inside source tell you this? LSU is looking for whoever the best coach is, if he has a long career here wonderful. If he moves on then we will find another coach.
This whole LSU needs a long term coach is one of the most retarded bullshite ideas I've ever heard. Look what has happened PSU and FSU with their long term coaches complacency, stagnation, and regression. LSU is just fine hiring another coach at the top of their game and moving on.
Posted on 11/29/07 at 12:13 pm to Cash
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Weiss took the job with ND, set up a staff to recruit, made a few recruiting calls as night, and stayed with the Pats to the Super Bowl.
And the fruits of that labor proved to be worthless this year, didn't they? Please stop using Charlie Weis as an example of this, it really makes you look like a moron. First, he wasn't an NFL head coach. Second, he has shown himself to be less than good as a college head coach, especially against decent opponents, which shows that the recruits he brought in back before the 2005 season (the ones playing more right now) are not very good.
I have not acted remotely like it is "impossible" to do. Your example isn't the same and it isn't a good one. I just said it would be hard for that coach to be successful. Why is that so difficult for you?
Posted on 11/29/07 at 12:13 pm to houstontyga
Saban wasn't hired at Bama until into January. Didn't hear the Bammers say they couldn't get him b/c they'd have to wait.
Posted on 11/29/07 at 12:14 pm to Cash
Posted on 11/29/07 at 12:14 pm to Macavity92
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including recruiting
Been covered ad nauseum
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methods of coaching
His style is really close to that of pete carroll. He's a tough guy but he is close to the players
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This guy has no track record that shows he will succeed at LSU.
Nor does Spurrier or Rich Rodriguez or any other coach that hasn't coached at LSU before.
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There's a coach in Idaho who has won a BCS bowl and currently makes less than $1 mil per year. We double his salary and have one of the best young coaches in the nation. Surely, that makes much more sense than Del Rio.
No, not really. Peterson inherited a really talented team, had a favorable schedule and rode it to a BCS win. If you think he should be the next coach of LSU you need your internet license revoked.
Posted on 11/29/07 at 12:15 pm to JVTiger
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Saban wasn't hired at Bama until into January.
Saban was hired on January 2nd, first off, because his 6-10 team wasn't in the playoffs. There is a very good possibility that Jack Del Rio's team will be playing in the 2nd or even 3rd round of the playoffs this year.
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Didn't hear the Bammers say they couldn't get him b/c they'd have to wait.
Because they didn't have to wait. Within a week of their bowl game being played, they had a coach that could devote himself full time to the program. Regardless, Saban wasn't talking until after the season, if you want to give another bad example. Under your assumptions, Del Rio is going to talk during the season and have this thing done.
That's 3 completely irrelevant examples so far...next?
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Posted on 11/29/07 at 12:16 pm to DrEdgeLSU
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Saban was hired on January 2nd,
January 4 actually.
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Posted on 11/29/07 at 12:16 pm to DrEdgeLSU
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Are you seriously that much of a fricking moron?
We've obviously done soooo poorly recruiting guys who have shown no tendencies to stay here long term(Saban and Miles) we totally need to change tracks to get our football program back up to par.
Posted on 11/29/07 at 12:19 pm to TheEdge
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Are you seriously that much of a fricking moron?
We've obviously done soooo poorly recruiting guys who have shown no tendencies to stay here long term(Saban and Miles) we totally need to change tracks to get our football program back up to par.
Wow. You think it helps the program to keep hiring guys with known aspirations to move on if given the opportunity? It is quite clear I am not the fricking moron, as you so politely put it.
Posted on 11/29/07 at 12:21 pm to DrEdgeLSU
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Wow. You think it helps the program to keep hiring guys with known aspirations to move on if given the opportunity? It is quite clear I am not the fricking moron, as you so politely put it.
Has it hurt us recently? I would say the last 7 years have been some of the most successful years of LSU football, and they have all occurred with coaches who had other aspirations.
Saban left we replaced him, miles is leaving we will replace him, and it will no different for the next guy.
Posted on 11/29/07 at 12:23 pm to TheEdge
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Woppedy frikkin do. When a guy who was a NFL HC is sitting in your living room showing you his superbowl ring he won coaching a HoF linebacker on one of the best defenses of all time in the NFL, then telling you how he turned the second worst defense in the NFL to the second best in one year, how he played in the NFL for 10 years, how he coached a team to the playoffs twice, and how he knows how to make oyu a first round draft pick I think you would be pretty damn close ot signing too.
Edge, when you're right, you're right. Great coaches were rarely great players (they finish college, then start coaching). Great players rarely coach, they make a lot of money playing, even if it's a short run, and don't want/need to coach as they get older. Nowadays, particularly, players like to move to the broadcast booth, as a perceived, sexy alternative to retirement. Hell, coaching is not even like teaching, it IS teaching, and say what you want, teaching/coaching is a calling.
There were guys who were great players, and had success later as coaches; Ditka, Spurrier, a few others, but they are rare.
Posted on 11/29/07 at 12:23 pm to TheEdge
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Has it hurt us recently? I would say the last 7 years have been some of the most successful years of LSU football, and they have all occurred with coaches who had other aspirations.
Saban left we replaced him, miles is leaving we will replace him, and it will no different for the next guy.
If you keep rotating coaches, it will hurt the program. It doesn't take a person with half of a brain to know that. The program will be successful, but hiring new coaching regimes every 3-5 years does not help it. If you can't see that, you cannot be helped.
Which would you rather:
A coach who will be here 4 years, max, and wins 8-10+ games a year with a SEC championship...then repeat with a similar coach
OR
A coach who will be here 10+ years, wins 9+ games a year with multiple SEC championships
Posted on 11/29/07 at 12:24 pm to DrEdgeLSU
Why exactly is it a bad thing to have a coach move on to the NFL or a lateral move to their alma matter?
How many MNC's over the past 10 years were won by coahes at their school for longer than 5-6 years?
two
For a coach to move one, he would have to do a great job while here, therefore we are in good shape and can attract a great new guy.
Getting a new coach every 5-8 years allows you to avoid stagnation and allows have coaches at the top of their game.
How many MNC's over the past 10 years were won by coahes at their school for longer than 5-6 years?
two
For a coach to move one, he would have to do a great job while here, therefore we are in good shape and can attract a great new guy.
Getting a new coach every 5-8 years allows you to avoid stagnation and allows have coaches at the top of their game.
Posted on 11/29/07 at 12:27 pm to DrEdgeLSU
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If you keep rotating coaches, it will hurt the program. It doesn't take a person with half of a brain to know that.
No it takes no brain to think that, how about some examples. I've given the examples of what happens when a coach stays too long.
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A coach who will be here 4 years, max, and wins 8-10+ games a year with a SEC championship...then repeat with a similar coach
OR
A coach who will be here 10+ years, wins 9+ games a year with multiple SEC championships
If the second guy can stay at that level of success until he retires, then sure. However history shows us(/cough PSU FSU /cough) that coaches tend to slip as they get older, but the university can't do anything about it since the guy is an icon. I don't want that happening to LSU
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