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I don't understand why so many folks want Lincoln Riley
Posted on 10/30/21 at 9:59 am
Posted on 10/30/21 at 9:59 am
He seemingly makes the playoff nearly every year but that's after winning the shite Big XII and they usually lose to someone there that they shouldn't and scrape by a few others that shouldn't even be close.
He wouldn't see a major bump in talent, Oklahoma recruits about as well as LSU on average.
You'd always have to worry about him making the jump to the NFL as that seems to be his ultimate goal according to most information that seems to float around.
On top of all that, I don't even see why Riley would consider coming to LSU unless LSU just pays him a good bit more than Oklahoma is willing to.
With someone like Napier or Fickell, you can argue that they're winning with lesser talent so imagine what they'd do with top talent.
Riley already has top talent and seems very underwhelming to me.
He wouldn't see a major bump in talent, Oklahoma recruits about as well as LSU on average.
You'd always have to worry about him making the jump to the NFL as that seems to be his ultimate goal according to most information that seems to float around.
On top of all that, I don't even see why Riley would consider coming to LSU unless LSU just pays him a good bit more than Oklahoma is willing to.
With someone like Napier or Fickell, you can argue that they're winning with lesser talent so imagine what they'd do with top talent.
Riley already has top talent and seems very underwhelming to me.
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Posted on 10/30/21 at 10:01 am to SidewalkTiger
Ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do and die.
Posted on 10/30/21 at 10:04 am to SidewalkTiger
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He wouldn't see a major bump in talent
Posted on 10/30/21 at 10:06 am to SidewalkTiger
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He wouldn't see a major bump in talent, Oklahoma recruits about as well as LSU on average.
Only if you’re a star gazer fanboy. If you are into things like championships and head to head wins, LSU clearly recruits better talent.
Posted on 10/30/21 at 10:10 am to sicboy
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Only if you’re a star gazer fanboy. If you are into things like championships and head to head wins, LSU clearly recruits better talent.
Based on what exactly?
Posted on 10/30/21 at 10:12 am to SidewalkTiger
Then you don’t understand college football
Posted on 10/30/21 at 10:13 am to SidewalkTiger
Posted on 10/30/21 at 10:13 am to Vaderghost
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Then you don’t understand college football
Explain it to me then
Posted on 10/30/21 at 10:14 am to SidewalkTiger
I feel the same way, but about Napier and Fickell. Who cares how well these guys do at ULL and Cincy? There is almost no pressure or expectation to win big there. The difference between those programs and LSU, OU is night and day.
Riley has produced multiple Heisman winners and candidates. He has recruited at a high level to Norman, OK. Now, BR is no crown jewel, but it's a far cry better than Norman, OK. His next stop is an opportunity to take lessons learned and things he would do differently at OU to LSU. Look at Saban after LSU, Miami. Look at Kingsbury after TTU. I don't care that OU is in the Big 12, you don't accidentally show up in the CFP that often accidentally as every team in the Pac 12 can attest.
His play-calling and QB coaching is elite. His biggest team deficiency is attracting enough defensive talent to make a difference which isn't an issue in LA. OU is also going to join the SEC here soon, which is going to put a lunch in OUs recruiting. This is the perfect time to hop on with a team that has a built in advantage like LSU does with recruiting. Lastly, don't look past the effect Scott Woodward has on coaching candidates. He has been very successful in convincing coaches to leave well-paid successful programs for his program.
Riley has produced multiple Heisman winners and candidates. He has recruited at a high level to Norman, OK. Now, BR is no crown jewel, but it's a far cry better than Norman, OK. His next stop is an opportunity to take lessons learned and things he would do differently at OU to LSU. Look at Saban after LSU, Miami. Look at Kingsbury after TTU. I don't care that OU is in the Big 12, you don't accidentally show up in the CFP that often accidentally as every team in the Pac 12 can attest.
His play-calling and QB coaching is elite. His biggest team deficiency is attracting enough defensive talent to make a difference which isn't an issue in LA. OU is also going to join the SEC here soon, which is going to put a lunch in OUs recruiting. This is the perfect time to hop on with a team that has a built in advantage like LSU does with recruiting. Lastly, don't look past the effect Scott Woodward has on coaching candidates. He has been very successful in convincing coaches to leave well-paid successful programs for his program.
Posted on 10/30/21 at 10:14 am to SidewalkTiger
Why is he very underwhelming? Playoffs are Top 4 in the country. How many times has Riley been to the playoffs before he is even 40 years old? Just turned 38 in September and is one of the top offensive minds in college.
Why leave OK? You are correct because OK may already be paying him close to 10 M + and what can we really offer that OK does not except maybe a new start with a better recruiting territory??
Why leave OK? You are correct because OK may already be paying him close to 10 M + and what can we really offer that OK does not except maybe a new start with a better recruiting territory??
Posted on 10/30/21 at 10:17 am to SidewalkTiger
Napier is nonsense
Posted on 10/30/21 at 10:18 am to PUB
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Why is he very underwhelming? Playoffs are Top 4 in the country.
Oklahoma is a big fish in a small pond.
They beat a bunch of bad teams and immediately lose each time they get into the playoff.
I mean the dude has nearly lost to Tulane and Kansas this year as well as numerous others.
Posted on 10/30/21 at 10:20 am to SidewalkTiger
Who do you want that’s better than Riley?
Posted on 10/30/21 at 10:21 am to MLU
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Riley has produced multiple Heisman winners and candidates. He has recruited at a high level to Norman, OK. Now, BR is no crown jewel, but it's a far cry better than Norman, OK
Coaches recruit to programs, not cities.
Oklahoma has always recruited at a high level and is a blue blood so that really isn't that impressive.
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His biggest team deficiency is attracting enough defensive talent to make a difference which isn't an issue in LA
I mean we've had garbage defenses the last two seasons.
Linebackers are atrocious.
Before you blame that on coaching, just which great DC has Lincoln hired?
Posted on 10/30/21 at 10:23 am to tigerbait01
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Who do you want that’s better than Riley?
I don't know that there's anyone who is necessarily "better."
It may be better to take a chance on an up and comer than a proven commodity.
This is similar to the baseball coaching search when Bianco's name was being floated around, dude hasn't got it done at an elite program with all the resources so why do we think it'll be any different here?
Posted on 10/30/21 at 10:24 am to SidewalkTiger
Oklahoma doesn’t have a single 5 star on defense. It’s half 3 stars and half 4 stars.
Despite oklahomas prominence and success their average class under Riley is 9th.
Maybe Riley is just a bad recruiter…
Or maybe it’s incredibly hard to recruit people to play in Norman Oklahoma, the big 12 doesn’t have a reputation for playing defense or producing defensive players, and they have to compete for defensive recruits in states with sec schools (a conference known for defense).
My bet is the latter, and all of those issues are fixed in BR.
This is also his first HC job, and he’s far better in his first job than most candidates are in their 2nd or 3rd.
Despite oklahomas prominence and success their average class under Riley is 9th.
Maybe Riley is just a bad recruiter…
Or maybe it’s incredibly hard to recruit people to play in Norman Oklahoma, the big 12 doesn’t have a reputation for playing defense or producing defensive players, and they have to compete for defensive recruits in states with sec schools (a conference known for defense).
My bet is the latter, and all of those issues are fixed in BR.
This is also his first HC job, and he’s far better in his first job than most candidates are in their 2nd or 3rd.
Posted on 10/30/21 at 10:24 am to SidewalkTiger
Easy on saying Ole Miss is an elite baseball program.
Posted on 10/30/21 at 10:26 am to tigerbait01
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Easy on saying Ole Miss is an elite baseball program.
Maybe not in terms of achievements but they have all the resources that LSU does.
Posted on 10/30/21 at 10:26 am to SidewalkTiger
Neither do I
Posted on 10/30/21 at 10:27 am to SidewalkTiger
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He wouldn’t see a major bump in talent
Louisiana is in the top three for a producing college football talent and Oklahoma isn’t even in the top 20. That doesn’t even consider the fact of how much closer LSU is to the talent rich south east than Oklahoma.
While Napier appears to be a fine football coach, he is too unproven and is competing in to weak of a football conference to be anything but a fallback position guy. imo
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