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re: Gundy ahead of Fedora **ETA Herman update**
Posted on 11/22/16 at 5:47 pm to BobBarker
Posted on 11/22/16 at 5:47 pm to BobBarker
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Because you want to keep him as DL coach. He would've stayed at USC had they not disrespected him after his interim stint. They didn't even interview or ask his opinion on who the coach should be. Basically said thanks for salvaging our season and kicked him out the door.
This is a great point that shouldn't be ignored. O has been treated well up to this point, and the administration needs to continue to do that, even if there is no chance that they hire him as the head man. Most of us would LOVE to see O back on the staff next year, no matter who the head coach is, and we all know it would be a huge help in keeping recruiting going during a transition.
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Posted on 11/22/16 at 5:52 pm to BilJ
But he's not the interim at another school, so that's not really relevant.
I think you hire O because you believe he can recruit and will bring in top flight assistants. He wouldn't tank the ship but probably wouldn't set it to new seas either.
I think you hire O because you believe he can recruit and will bring in top flight assistants. He wouldn't tank the ship but probably wouldn't set it to new seas either.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 6:00 pm to BIG Texan
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Also play at the end, full back dive, really??? He learned though I think.
He learns quicker than any other coach known to man.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 6:09 pm to DeltaDoc
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Gundy got his dick kicked in by Hugh Freeze last year. No thank you
Saban lost 2 years in a row to Hugh Freeze with the best players in CFB
Posted on 11/22/16 at 6:10 pm to OBUDan
Well no offense Dan, but I hope to god you aren't a booster who gets say in making these decisions
Because you'd be making a horrible one
Because you'd be making a horrible one
This post was edited on 11/22/16 at 6:11 pm
Posted on 11/22/16 at 6:16 pm to cas4t
O really isn't the disaster you guys are making him out to be, IMO.
Obviously his resume sucks. He sucked at Ole Miss. He'd be the first to tell you that. But teams he recruited there had back-to-back 9-4 seasons, which is about the same as what Freeze has done. He's a different coach/person and not just in word, but in action.
Since taking over, all three phases of the game have improved.
The players love him and that won't change.
He was dealt a bad hand with this offense and he made the most of it he could.
LSU made careless mistakes Saturday that cost them a game they otherwise dominated.
Nobody is gonna beat Bama and we put forth the best possible effort.
I'm just saying, with an offseason to hire a legit OC and implement some more offensive changes, I think we'd be a fine team.
He has plenty of things he brings to the table that are glossed right over.
Obviously his resume sucks. He sucked at Ole Miss. He'd be the first to tell you that. But teams he recruited there had back-to-back 9-4 seasons, which is about the same as what Freeze has done. He's a different coach/person and not just in word, but in action.
Since taking over, all three phases of the game have improved.
The players love him and that won't change.
He was dealt a bad hand with this offense and he made the most of it he could.
LSU made careless mistakes Saturday that cost them a game they otherwise dominated.
Nobody is gonna beat Bama and we put forth the best possible effort.
I'm just saying, with an offseason to hire a legit OC and implement some more offensive changes, I think we'd be a fine team.
He has plenty of things he brings to the table that are glossed right over.
This post was edited on 11/22/16 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 11/22/16 at 6:18 pm to OBUDan
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Since taking over, all three phases of the game have improved.
we were tied with southern miss at half time.
scored 0 points against bama.
scored 10 against a florida team we were 14 points favored against.
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He has plenty of things he brings to the table that are glossed right over.
besides the stuff in your post, what?
Posted on 11/22/16 at 6:20 pm to OBUDan
There are talks of paying a top coach close to 7M dollars yet you want O
Think about that
This job, at minimum, attracts a current P5 conference head coach with a winning record
Give. It. A. Rest.
It's over baw
Think about that
This job, at minimum, attracts a current P5 conference head coach with a winning record
Give. It. A. Rest.
It's over baw
Posted on 11/22/16 at 6:26 pm to Deactived
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we were tied with southern miss at half time.
Thankfully, games aren't over at halftime.
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scored 0 points against bama.
This was the worst showing, but again, who has done better?
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scored 10 against a florida team we were 14 points favored against.
Right, like I said, some dumb mistakes. We still dropped 420+ yards of offense on a D giving up like 270 a game. And we held them under 300 yards. We dominated that game but our players made careless mistakes.
How much of that do you put on the coaches? I don't know. Honestly.
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besides the stuff in your post, what?
Well, he's a cultural fit, and I think that's important. He understands the state and he's a bit of an icon, so recruiting will be easy for him. He'll recruit like gang busters.
Also, I think he wants to build a USCSE type program at LSU. High energy, lots of fun, aggressive, hit you in the mouth type teams.
I think he's more open to innovative offensive ideas, whereas Jimbo is pretty stuck in his ways.
I think he's shown some ability to be adaptable and flexible.
LSU doesn't have pieces at QB to win right now. Etling is really marginal and limited. Hard to really open up any offense when you are so limited at the position.
Again, you'd be hiring O because you think he's gonna get a top tier OC and let that guy do work.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 6:29 pm to OBUDan
Cultural fit does not matter in the slightest
Miles recruited like hell and he's from Michigan
Saban recruited like hell
You know who else has been a cultural fit?
Miles recruited like hell and he's from Michigan
Saban recruited like hell
You know who else has been a cultural fit?
Posted on 11/22/16 at 6:29 pm to cas4t
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There are talks of paying a top coach close to 7M dollars yet you want O
I didn't say I wanted O, first of all. I said I could make the argument.
Paying 7 million dollars is actually one thing in his favor.
If we dump 7 mil into Jimbo, does it impact our ability to disperse money to other staff? Can we pay top flight assistants like we did under Les? I think it's a valid concern.
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This job, at minimum, attracts a current P5 conference head coach with a winning record
Part of the problem is people are so obsessed with the past they can't see anything else.
I want a guy with a vision for the future.
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Give. It. A. Rest.
It's over baw
I was simply responding to another post. There's nothing "over" because we haven't hired a coach yet. It could be Jimbo. It could be Herman. It could be O. It could be Fedora.
I doubt we've seen the last twists and turns to this deal.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 6:30 pm to OBUDan
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Nobody is gonna beat Bama and we put forth the best possible effort.
Mother frick that, I'm tired of this line.
Secondly, improving in all phases over what Les was throwing out there is no feather in his cap, it's more of a further indictment of Les. So hopping over a low bar isn't really all that impressive.
O and his ra ra routine was the spark this team needed to get going again after that start...but that only goes so far and it showed badly in his 2 losses. It's bullshite to sit here and credit him for improving the offense but blaming Les when it became clear the only difference in the offenses was just shitty defenses. The Florida game we looked sloppy, unprepared, and undisciplined. O deserves another shot at a job, but not here
Posted on 11/22/16 at 6:30 pm to cas4t
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Cultural fit does not matter in the slightest
Trent Johnson worked out great right? I mean, that is your exact composite of hiring off pure resume.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 6:31 pm to OBUDan
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This was the worst showing, but again, who has done better?
Everyone on Bama's schedule not named Kent State.
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He understands the state and he's a bit of an icon
Understands the state? Jesus why do people act like our state is composed of some alien lifeform?
Les was a doofus from the midwest and he recruited at LSU like gangbusters.
We recruited fine before O and we will be fine after O
Posted on 11/22/16 at 6:35 pm to BilJ
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Mother frick that, I'm tired of this line.
I meant in 2016.
I agree the mentality that "well we just have to wait for Saban to leave" is bullshite.
I'm just saying, for this year, they are going to win every game by double digits. This is the best Bama team Saban has fielded.
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Secondly, improving in all phases over what Les was throwing out there is no feather in his cap, it's more of a further indictment of Les. So hopping over a low bar isn't really all that impressive.
Fair enough. I was just pointing to tangible things.
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O and his ra ra routine was the spark this team needed to get going again after that start...but that only goes so far and it showed badly in his 2 losses. It's bullshite to sit here and credit him for improving the offense but blaming Les when it became clear the only difference in the offenses was just shitty defenses. The Florida game we looked sloppy, unprepared, and undisciplined. O deserves another shot at a job, but not here
Les got Jville State and MSU and couldn't do much there either. LSU didn't cross the 400 yard threshold once until O was hired. And they did it in every game but Bama since.
But, right on. The team lost focus vs. UF for whatever reason. It's not a good look for O. It probably cost him his chance at the job.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 6:35 pm to OBUDan
did you just compare recruiting LSU basketball with the football team? 
Posted on 11/22/16 at 6:36 pm to OBUDan
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This was the worst showing, but again, who has done better?
If not for aranda and it being in tiger stadium that game would have been a complete butt fricking.
What do you credit O for in that game ?
Posted on 11/22/16 at 6:37 pm to OBUDan
The team was done with Les....we all knew they were better than what we were seeing. Again, it's just more of an indictment of Les, history will not be kind to him
Posted on 11/22/16 at 6:38 pm to Deactived
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Everyone on Bama's schedule not named Kent State.
Honestly, you don't mean that. Everyone, including myself, hated watching us be stuck in mud. The only team that played them closer was Ole Miss and if you watched that game, it wasn't close.
They are beating people by 20 points at minimum. LSU had a chance to win that game in the 4th quarter if they create a turnover. They didn't and lost, but you can't honestly think Arkansas' loss is somehow better because they got more yards and points on the way to losing by 19?
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Understands the state? Jesus why do people act like our state is composed of some alien lifeform?
Les was a doofus from the midwest and he recruited at LSU like gangbusters.
We recruited fine before O and we will be fine after O
We were fortunate to hire two great recruiters back to back.
Remains to be seen if we can do it again. I tend to have confidence we will, but there was a time not too long ago that players weren't lining up to come to LSU like they are now. It shouldn't just be assumed it will keep happening.
Also, what's with the fury? I'm just stating things in favor of O. No need for outrage.
Posted on 11/22/16 at 6:42 pm to BilJ
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If not for aranda and it being in tiger stadium that game would have been a complete butt fricking.
What do you credit O for in that game ?
I think any HC is responsible for setting the directive of the game plan.
To me, O decided we would have a plan of not turning it over and trying to force Bama to make mistakes, hopefully in our territory to score. It worked for about 3 quarters, but we didn't capitalize on our chances. Partially because Etling is bad, partially because Bama is awesome.
It's not a hyper aggressive approach, but teams trying to do that are turning it over and losing by gobs of points.
At any rate, neither strategy worked. Bama is really good right now.
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