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re: Case for O: Essentially Les Miles - offensive meddling
Posted on 10/19/16 at 7:57 pm to LSU GrandDad
Posted on 10/19/16 at 7:57 pm to LSU GrandDad
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want to see how the year plays out but, imo, coach O has already proved he's the man
Against two cream puff teams. Jeez. We need to measure coaching against the upcoming teams.
We keep lowering our standards.
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Posted on 10/19/16 at 8:08 pm to LSU GrandDad
Bro you've been listening to culotta too much.
Posted on 10/19/16 at 8:10 pm to Lebowski
He needs to go and prove himself at a lower level job. Lsu isn't the place for that. Hopefully he uses this year as an opportunity to get a job at a non power 5 job.
Posted on 10/19/16 at 8:17 pm to Lebowski
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We keep lowering our standards.
I honestly had no problem with people thinking he deserved a chance of he won out. Didn't agree, but I understand it.
Then folks are saying, 'you can't hold a Bama loss against him, nobody can beat Bama.'
Now you have at least 20 different posters today agreeing that he has already earned the position no matter what happens the rest of the year.
I've never argued an issue so vehemently on TD. But this will be the biggest mistake lsu could make in the current landscape of the SEC. It's just too competitive to take a chance on O.
Posted on 10/19/16 at 8:21 pm to SportTiger1
Lsu fans were desperate for some semblance of a modern day offense. Coach o has delivered on that front so far. I don't blame some fans who feel thankful to the guy.
Posted on 10/19/16 at 9:02 pm to SammyTiger
I really don't know what else can be said that hasn't already been said the last few weeks. We've pointed out every statistic we could but people are putting blind faith and emotion into it and coming to a stupid conclusion.
Posted on 10/19/16 at 9:10 pm to SammyTiger
If you are not hiring Petersen, Kelly , or Petrino you are hiring unproven coaches and Jimbo is a damaged good.
Posted on 10/19/16 at 9:21 pm to SammyTiger
Hire a coach who can bring in #1 recruiting class frequently if not every year if not it doesn't matter who the coach is.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:42 am to SportTiger1
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Because he told you so?
Actually yes you moron he's stated this in press conferences since getting the Interim tag. He said he wanted to have his hands on every little thing at OP. He even said that he had a great coordinator in Mazzonne, but he forced the USC offense on him even when Mazzonne wasn't very familiar with it. He's said he tried having a part in every facet of the game, but he knows that was a mistake. He knows he must put together a great staff and delegate to them. As head coach he would need to motivate and lead this team in the right direction as well as recruit his arse off. Now should he be the number 1 candidate? No but barring a catastrophic failure in this last half of the season, he should be right in the mix. LSU MUST MAKE HERMAN SAY NO before moving on to other candidates.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:51 am to The Godfather
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I can point to his 3-21 SEC record in his only HC gig 10 years ago and the fact that Houston Nutt of all people took the team O couldn't win with and won back to back Cotton Bowls in his first two years.
Hugh Freeze said they were close to turning the corner. How do you know O wouldn't have done the same thing in year 4?
Posted on 10/20/16 at 8:55 am to CalTiger53
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If you are not hiring Petersen, Kelly , or Petrino you are hiring unproven coaches and Jimbo is a damaged good.
If there was ever damaged goods, take an in depth look a Coach O.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 9:05 am to ThaGenius
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Actually yes you moron he's stated this in press conferences since getting the Interim tag.
That's my point man. Maybe he has, maybe he hasn't. The fact is, you dont know. You just know what he told you.
I'm not willing to risk the entire LSU football program on a guy who TOLD me he now knows how to run a program, even though he hasn't done it since Ole Miss.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 9:19 am to SportTiger1
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That's my point man.
Maybe he has, maybe he hasn't. The fact is, you dont know. You just know what he told you.
I'm not willing to risk the entire LSU football program on a guy who TOLD me he now knows how to run a program, even though he hasn't done it since Ole Miss.
Honest question: What, specifically, is concerning to you regarding THIS season and Ed Orgeron? What I mean is, what is it, specifically, that no matter what he does this year you will still be scared of hiring him permanently?
Posted on 10/20/16 at 9:22 am to SportTiger1
So who are your top 5 targets?
Posted on 10/20/16 at 9:26 am to KyrieElaison
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People seem to think O is stupid and knows little about football. What is their rationale for this? How do we know O doesn't know defense inside and out? Who says he doesn't know offense? Is this simply an assumption because he's a coon arse? I'll say it again, if O proves himself in the next few weeks he should get the job!
Because these other coaches have actually went out and ran a program with success. Add to the fact most of these coaches (Herman and Jimbo) have had major success as a coordinator.
That's what separates them from Coach O.
Let O go to a school like UH and go 11-1 or go be a DC and have a top 10 defense. If he had done this, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
A successful DL coaching career is not going to cut it.
If the top tier candidates tell LSU to take a hike, then you can still hire O.
But if you would have asked everyone before this year if they would want O to be HC, they would have laughed in your face.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 9:27 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Honest question: What, specifically, is concerning to you regarding THIS season and Ed Orgeron? What I mean is, what is it, specifically, that no matter what he does this year you will still be scared of hiring him permanently?
Organizational control/NCAA issues
Recruiting the right players for his system (part of Les' problem)
Being able to win games when he doesnt have the talent level and experienced players that he has now.
He wants a Pro Style QB, which we know is like finding a needle in a haystack in LA.
He can, in no way, answer those concerns this year.
This post was edited on 10/20/16 at 9:29 am
Posted on 10/20/16 at 9:28 am to Stud Bud
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Let O go to a school like UH and go 11-1
Very good point.
Does anyone on this board think O could make Houston an 11 win team?
Posted on 10/20/16 at 9:29 am to Stud Bud
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Let O go to a school like UH and go 11-1 or go be a DC and have a top 10 defense. If he had done this, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Ask Notre Dame or Texas if doing well at a smaller school always equates to success at a top 10-15 program.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 9:33 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Ask Notre Dame or Texas if doing well at a smaller school always equates to success at a top 10-15 program.
You asked for points.
I gave you points.
It's not my fault you don't like them.
The point is you have to try to get the best coach out there. O does not have the best resume. He doesn't, and you can't refute that.
You love O? I do too.
I don't think he should be in the top tier of candidates to replace Miles. I'm sorry, but he's not.
Posted on 10/20/16 at 9:36 am to SportTiger1
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Organizational control/NCAA issues
Recruiting the right players for his system (part of Les' problem)
Being able to win games when he doesnt have the talent level and experienced players that he has now.
He wants a Pro Style QB, which we know is like finding a needle in a haystack in LA.
He can, in no way, answer those concerns this year.
Has O ever been found to have violated a serious NCAA rule? I don't think he has.
I'm not worried at all about his recruiting abilities or his abilities to identify the right players for his system. He has stated he wants pro style QBs and that he wants to run a west coast offense. Thats a good start.
Pro style QBs in LA? Again, not worried about his ability to find the right recruits.
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