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re: Can someone summarise what Briles did exactly?

Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:09 pm to
Posted by Keltic Tiger
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:09 pm to
Yep, just ignore what the victims said happened. They are just whores like Briles & Baylor made ALL of them out to be. As for the investigation, it is still on going, the focus has been on the civil suits for now.
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:36 pm to
quote:

This is nothing close to the Penn State situation - those were little kids who had no idea what was going on. These were college girls willingly getting hammered at parties.


I bet they had slutty clothes on too. Probably asked to get gang raped too.
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 8:37 pm
Posted by PenguinNinja
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Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:55 pm to
FTR, I've seen guys accused of rape by drunk girls. I'm sure many of us have.

I don't know what happened in those cases, but in the ones I witnessed, it was NOT beyond the realm of possibility (i.e. reasonable doubt) that the girls made the accusations to save face from the social consequences of consensual sex (being called a slut, etc.). That doesn't mean the accusing girls didn't get raped, but it DOES mean that a girl saying she was raped does NOT mean she was without-question raped and we should string up the accused without some kind of trial based on evidence.

It baffles me that people apparently think this guy is a monster based purely on articles they read on websites that don't provide any hard evidence of wrong doing other than the accusations of the supposed victims. It's like the word rape is used and everyone in our society shuts down their logic system.

And just to say what has to be said before you guys turn the lynch mob towards me (which you'll probably all do anyway), I'm not saying he's not a guilty scumbag who should burn. I'm saying I've seen a bunch of people in this thread reacting emotionally or based on their perception of the stories they read in the past and saying he's a monster, and providing no links or evidence beyond their moral high ground. Those saying that maybe there's a chance he did nothing wrong are at least providing some kind of evidence of that possibility (links).
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:05 pm to
In the words of Buford T Justice

"Drunk? Inappropriate behavior? That's baby shite compared to what this dudes doin".
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
59150 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:14 pm to
Briles knowingly brought kids in w violent pasts, hell Petersin called and warned him after he kicked off the kid that did him in.

He brought in criminals, failed to supervise them and outright ignored warnings of wrong doing.

Not only did he do that, he hid behind the Bible and his religion as to why he brought these thugs in, for their shite at redemption!!! Hallelujah!!!

bullshite, he is a gimmick ciach that relies on spectacular talent of criminal transfers to beat up on the little sisters of the poor in the Big 12.

He is a shithead
Posted by Hangit
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Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:14 pm to
My Ninja!

Posted by lindsfav
Member since Jan 2006
198 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:19 pm to
Summary of the actual facts is that he didn't really do anything wrong. The moral uptitude of the non fact based posters here is astounding.

Baylor is a cesspool of Baptist politics and there was a lot of things in play here that had nothing to do with Briles, sexual assault, or sports. The actual facts relative to Briles support that he pretty much followed protocol on everything. The Baptist media in Waco lumped him with a few others they needed gone and he got naively caught in a power struggle. He really was naive to the politics.
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:20 pm to
quote:


Briles knowingly brought kids in w violent pasts, hell Petersin called and warned him after he kicked off the kid that did him in.

He brought in criminals, failed to supervise them and outright ignored warnings of wrong doing.

Not only did he do that, he hid behind the Bible and his religion as to why he brought these thugs in, for their shite at redemption!!! Hallelujah!!!

bullshite, he is a gimmick ciach that relies on spectacular talent of criminal transfers to beat up on the little sisters of the poor in the Big 12.

He is a shithead



Someone gets it
Posted by Tiger in Texas
Houston, Texas
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:24 pm to
quote:

He allowed rapists on the team with prior knowledge of their behavior, covered up rapes by football players so he could win, and was dishonest about a lot of it.


That pretty much tells anyone what they need to know- Briles is lucky he wasn't put behind bars!
Posted by Keltic Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2006
20673 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:27 pm to
PenguinNinja,did you by chance see the 60 Minutes show on it? This goes way beyond he said she said. This was not one coed saying it happened, it was a lot. And coaches who have been fired all fessed up to various roles in the cover up. And there was no drunk coed when she was gang raped. Do you know anything about the criminal trial for the one former player? Lots of real legal evidence there.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
59150 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:27 pm to
horseshite. They showed evidence of his administration covering up the Elliot issues

This shite wasn't isolated
Posted by MastrShake
SoCal
Member since Nov 2008
7281 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:29 pm to
The sexual-violence scandal at Baylor University that cost (Art Briles) his job involved 17 women who reported sexual or domestic assaults involving 19 players, including four alleged gang rapes, since 2011...

In at least one case, Briles knew of incidents and chose to sit on the info instead of going to police, university judicial staff or Title IX office. He also "set up a system" to make sure he'd be the last to know about off-the-field incidences, likely inferring that his assistants knew and took action before he did.

wall street journal

Although Ukwuachu pleaded not guilty to the charges, there wasn’t much doubt that “Jane Doe” had been raped. When she went to the hospital after the encounter, the examining nurse found “vaginal injuries, including redness, bleeding and friction injuries.”

Jane Doe had been a virgin.

Her testimony during the short trial was nothing short of chilling. “He was using all of his strength to pull up my dress and do stuff to me,” she testified. “He had me on my stomach on the bed and he was on top of me.” Her head caught between the bed and a desk, she was “screaming ‘stop’ and ‘no’ ” as Ukwuachu raped her.

new york times

Baylor University admitted Thursday that administrators discouraged reports of sexual assault on campus, even going so far as to retaliate against one accuser.

These details and more came from an independent investigation ordered by the school’s board of regents into how the Texas university handled reports of sexual assault, especially accusations against football players. The report found a “fundamental failure” by the school to obey federal laws to protect female students and a belief the winning football program was “above the rules.”

In response to the report, the board of regents fired football coach Art Briles.

daily beast

Baylor University did not investigate a sexual assault report made against two football players for more than two years, despite the school's obligation under federal law to immediately address allegations of sexual violence involving students.

In 2013, the Waco Police Department ... informed Baylor officials about an off-campus incident involving former All-Big 12 tight end Tre'Von Armstead and former practice squad player Myke Chatman. Waco police also told the alleged victim they had contacted Baylor, but ... Baylor didn't begin looking into the allegations until Sept. 11, 2015.

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Posted by Hangit
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Member since Aug 2014
43486 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:34 pm to
quote:

Briles knowingly brought kids in w violent pasts, hell Petersin called and warned him after he kicked off the kid that did him in.


See, this is what I am looking for, facts. I admittedly do not read much of the Midwest Weak-12 or the Left Coast Weak-12.

Can you link me to anything that tells about this? He imported rapists because they can play ball?

Posted by tntigger
On a farm most likely
Member since Nov 2009
642 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:34 pm to
Explain In a GIF please.
Posted by PenguinNinja
Antarctica (and Japan)
Member since Sep 2011
2167 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 9:41 pm to
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PenguinNinja,did you by chance see the 60 Minutes show on it? This goes way beyond he said she said.


No. Any idea where I could see it? I'm not good at the internet.

quote:

This was not one coed saying it happened, it was a lot.


OK? So with that many victims, there's got to be some evidence of rape. And if there is and there were a bunch of rapes going on, where's the evidence that Briles knew and didn't do what he was supposed to.

And if he didn't and there's evidence, why isn't he in jail?

quote:

Do you know anything about the criminal trial for the one former player?


No, I know only what I posted in the OP. Link to this stuff? Again, you guys keep saying stuff, but I'm looking for links to what you've seen / read so I can watch / read it and form my own opinions based on the evidence therein.


I guess the main thing I'm trying to understand is why isn't he in jail if there's so much evidence that he did so much horrible shite? Obviously there wasn't enough for a DA to prosecute, so why are we lynching him when the DA wouldn't?
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
59150 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:07 pm to
He didn't do the rapin
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
40042 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:10 pm to
quote:

I guess the main thing I'm trying to understand is why isn't he in jail if there's so much evidence that he did so much horrible shite? Obviously there wasn't enough for a DA to prosecute, so why are we lynching him when the DA wouldn't?

Well there's a slightly higher burden of proof for a DA to prosecute and for a court to convict than there is for me to form an opinion that he probably didn't do everything he should have and probably is a piece of shite
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
43486 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:18 pm to
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I guess the main thing I'm trying to understand is why isn't he in jail if there's so much evidence that he did so much horrible shite?


I just read some of those last links provided. It seems like it was the university, not Briles who dropped the ball. Briles was fired, Kenneth Starr went from President to chancellor, and remains a professor at the law school.

The AD got a slap on the wrist after admitting that he had lied about not being informed of the soccer players rape.

The Title IX and indy reports make it look like monkeys were running the show at Baylor.

While almost all of this shite was not Briles fault, I am now against him. He allowed one of the accused rapists to participate in conditioning drills while going through his rape trial.

It was however, almost all the University and not Briles. In almost everything I read Briles went out of his way to act above board.

However, screw him for allowing a possible heinous criminal to participate with his team.

Also, there sure is a lot of sex, forced and consensual, drinking, and marijuana use at this religious college. WTF?

And Briles is not in jail because he repeatedly requested police involvement and the Judicial committee. He got his $20 million because the university could not afford for all of the scheduled deepositions to be made public.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:20 pm to
There is absolutely no equivalence between recruiting violations and turning a blind eye to mass rape.

Briles shouldn't come close to LSU's OC job.
Posted by silverthorn
Fort Collins, CO
Member since Nov 2011
758 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 10:32 pm to
quote:

Kiffin, Sark, and even Petrino's misdeeds don't hold a candle to what Briles allegedly did. He allowed rapists on the team with prior knowledge of their behavior, covered up rapes by football players so he could win, and was dishonest about a lot of it.


not true
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