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Posted on 12/1/17 at 1:29 pm to auyushu
Name recent fantasy novels you think are better, please
Posted on 12/1/17 at 3:34 pm to Kvothe
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Name recent fantasy novels you think are better, please
It's not out yet and it's probably more "historical fiction", but I hear Devan Lochees is working on a doozy.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 5:57 pm to Kvothe
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Name recent fantasy novels you think are better, please
Steven Erikson:
Deadhouse Gates, Memories of Ice, Midnight Tides
Joe Abercrombie:
Pretty much everything he's done.
George R R Martin:
First three GOT books
N.K. Jemisin:
The Broken Earth Trilogy
Scott Lynch:
Lies of Locke Lamora
Daniel Abraham:
An Autumn War and Price of Spring
Robin Hobb:
The intitial Farseer Trilogy
Brandon Sanderson:
His Wax and Wayne novels, Warbreaker
China Mieville:
The Scar, Perdidio Street Station
Miles Cameron:
The Traitor Son Cycle
Neil Gaiman:
Neverwhere, Stardust, The Graveyard book
Sebastian De Casteil:
All of the Greatcoats series
Anthony Ryan:
Blood Song
Michael J Sullivan:
All of the Riyria books
Brent Weeks:
Night Angel series
Those I think are all better, and there are a ton of other people that have written books I would put on par with Name of the Wind during that time period.
I'm big on plot, characters, and world building, and Name of the Wind is nothing special in any of those areas. I would agree if you wanted to claim he has some of the best prose of any fantasy written in the last 25 years, because I think he's up there with Daniel Abraham, Neil Gaiman, and R Scott Bakker in that regard. But in terms of overall quality I think it's a very good book but nowhere near the top that I've read.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 6:03 pm to auyushu
You forgot the Eragon books.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 6:10 pm to SLafourche07
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You forgot the Eragon books.
Ironic considering I find people who haven't read much fantasy (and have mostly read garbage like Eragon) tend to be the ones that pimp the hell out of Rothfuss.
Feel free to give me examples of why anything I said about Name of the Wind is wrong though.
This post was edited on 12/1/17 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 12/1/17 at 10:36 pm to auyushu
Name of the Wind uses an uncommon frame take story structure and its plot isn't anymore generic than half the books you listed. Its prose is excellent. Its characters are decently drawn. That's its biggest flaw. Kvothe is a shite head.
It's a good book with some significant editing issues.
A Wise Man's Fear is a mess.
It's a good book with some significant editing issues.
A Wise Man's Fear is a mess.
Posted on 12/1/17 at 11:07 pm to auyushu
I will respectfully disagree.
I will disrespectfully say you’re out of your damn mind on some of those.
I will disrespectfully say you’re out of your damn mind on some of those.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 12:11 pm to SLafourche07
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The magic system is interesting in that it is kind of based in science if that makes sense.
Rothfuss studied Chemical Engineering so the magic system is somewhat based on thermodynamics.
The series started off exceptionally well, and has been falling off in quality steadily. A lot of parallels with GRRM. I'm fairly confident that neither series will end satisfactorily.
Posted on 12/2/17 at 6:24 pm to LoveThatMoney
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Name of the Wind uses an uncommon frame take story structure and its plot isn't anymore generic than half the books you listed. Its prose is excellent. Its characters are decently drawn. That's its biggest flaw. Kvothe is a shite head.
It's a good book with some significant editing issues.
A Wise Man's Fear is a mess.
Agree with everything you say here. I'm not saying Name of the Wind is not a very good book (I've said that in every post I've made about it). I'm just saying it's not close to one of the best in the past 25 years. And I'd agree that half or 66% of those books I listed are equally generic, I just think they have more interesting characters, plot, and world building.
The most interesting aspect of Name of the Wind to me is the uncommon story structure you mentioned and the idea of Kvothe as an unreliable narrator (and the reading between the lines due to that).
Posted on 12/2/17 at 6:28 pm to Fun Bunch
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I will disrespectfully say you’re out of your damn mind on some of those.
Some of those I'd expect people to respond so, and that's fair. But like I said, I'm big on plot/story and characters, and Name of the Wind is pretty much just decent there. I enjoy good prose, but it's not something that carries a book by itself for me.
I'm also not a huge fan of Gary/Mary Sue main characters, and Kvohte is pretty much a ridiculous example of that.
Posted on 12/3/17 at 8:17 pm to auyushu
I don't really think Kvothe is a Gary Stu. He makes so many bad decisions that negatively impact himself and his friends. He glosses over the stuff that he is poor at because he's the one telling the story. Yes, he is a prodigy at many types of magic, but he isn't great at everything. Not by a long shot.
I'm not sure whether it's a theory or not, but I think the main reason they bring up "knacks" in the first book is to show that Kvothe has a knack for learning/remembering things, which explains his academics.
I'm not sure whether it's a theory or not, but I think the main reason they bring up "knacks" in the first book is to show that Kvothe has a knack for learning/remembering things, which explains his academics.
This post was edited on 12/3/17 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 12/4/17 at 8:05 am to LoveThatMoney
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Its prose is excellent. Its characters are decently drawn. That's its biggest flaw. Kvothe is a shite head.
It's a good book with some significant editing issues.
A Wise Man's Fear is a mess.
Damn - pretty much how I feel. As much as I like Name of the Wind - and I like it a lot - the biggest feeling I get from it is that its not meeting its potential. With the prose, etc. it could have been a truly great book. Its still really good though.
And Wise Man's Fear is about half of what Name of the Wind Is. Its prose has moments, but a lot less of them. The story is even more of a mess. And the meandering is more often and much longer.
I'm just hoping he can tie it all together in the third books somewhere near the level of Name of the Wind - but I'm pretty much resigned to it being another mess.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 1:38 pm to Tigerstark
I just read a long, relatively recent article about Rothfuss with some interviews and such.
Dude is a mess. I'm not sure we will see Book 3 any time soon. He basically said he hates writing it. He's so good with fans too:
Today, the third and final volume remains unpublished, and everywhere Rothfuss goes, fans ask when it will be ready. “They don’t realize this is so wearying,” he said with a sigh when we spoke a few weeks ago. “It’s like asking, ‘When are you going to get married? When are you going to go to law school?’ It’s like, just frick off. Just die. I don’t need any more of that in my life.”
Dude is a mess. I'm not sure we will see Book 3 any time soon. He basically said he hates writing it. He's so good with fans too:
Today, the third and final volume remains unpublished, and everywhere Rothfuss goes, fans ask when it will be ready. “They don’t realize this is so wearying,” he said with a sigh when we spoke a few weeks ago. “It’s like asking, ‘When are you going to get married? When are you going to go to law school?’ It’s like, just frick off. Just die. I don’t need any more of that in my life.”
Posted on 12/5/17 at 4:26 pm to Fun Bunch
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’ It’s like, just frick off. Just die. I don’t need any more of that in my life.
That's what I tell my wife when she asks what I want to eat.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 5:30 pm to Fun Bunch
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’ It’s like, just frick off. Just die. I don’t need any more of that in my life.”
The funniest thing to me about him being such a douchebag about the third book is that I don't see anyway that the third book really finishes out the series successfully. It would just finish up Kvothe's backstory. You'd pretty much need another trilogy to cover him getting his mojo back and taking out the Chandrian, and you know we are never going to see that series finished at this rate.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 6:24 pm to Fun Bunch
Pretty sure he let on that he had a huge announcement on his website, made everyone anticipate the shite out of it, then posted something along the lines of “the third book isn’t going to be released this year either”
This was pretty recent, so the subject has been touchy for a while obviously.
That’s how you know he’s a cock sucker. I was ok with him taking his time, but if he’s going to troll fans he can frick himself. frick YOU FAT PAT
This was pretty recent, so the subject has been touchy for a while obviously.
That’s how you know he’s a cock sucker. I was ok with him taking his time, but if he’s going to troll fans he can frick himself. frick YOU FAT PAT
Posted on 12/5/17 at 6:34 pm to auyushu
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You'd pretty much need another trilogy to cover him getting his mojo back and taking out the Chandrian, and you know we are never going to see that series finished at this rate.
IF you think that’s the endgame of this series you are sorely mistaken. Way too cliche. Never thought it was going that direction.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 6:47 pm to Fun Bunch
Rothfuss sounds like a bitch boy. Like I said I ain't a fantasy guy. Enjoyed the book and thought the writing was beautiful. But I really disliked Kvothe.
Posted on 12/5/17 at 11:47 pm to Fun Bunch
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IF you think that’s the endgame of this series you are sorely mistaken. Way too cliche. Never thought it was going that direction.
So you think it'll just tell his backstory and then it'll just end? What would be the point of the spider things at the beginning of TNOTW in the current day and building up the Chandrian if you aren't going to do anything with them?
I always figured the current trilogy would end with him telling the story, and then afterwords or right before finishing the story he would get his magic back.
It would be pretty hack writing to build all that up and do nothing with it. It would make the entire series pretty pointless. Mind you, most of Wise Man's Fear was pretty pointless, so he's been heading in that direction.
This post was edited on 12/5/17 at 11:51 pm
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