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re: Mistborn...On the 3rd book in the original trilogy

Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:06 am to
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:06 am to
On my first read-through and= started a little bit of Book 3 this morning before work.

I liked both Books 1 and 2, but book 1 was much better I thought - good ideas for how to go about things but not my favorite character set in series.

Maybe, kinda spoilers below



Book 2 dragged a bit with the political machinations going on a long time / extended siege (really tough for those to be done well in fantasy IMO). I liked the ending trying to turn the common fantasy cliche's on its head though.
Posted by Kvothe
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:28 am to
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Dude writes at and insane pace.


I’m starting to think he has a small army of writers working under him and he has figured out how to outline for them then edit their writing. His pace is that unreal.
Posted by Saskwatch
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:52 pm to
I bought the 3 book series a while back on kindle. 95% through the trilogy. This is my second Sanderson Series after Stormlight Archive. Looks like Wax and Wayne series after this one!
Posted by auyushu
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Posted on 7/5/18 at 11:05 pm to
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I liked both Books 1 and 2, but book 1 was much better I thought - good ideas for how to go about things but not my favorite character set in series.


Books 2 and 3 are much worse in that trilogy, for sure. For me I think much of it is the lack of the best character in the series, but the story isn't great in books 2 and 3 either.

Definitely read the Wax and Wayne books after though, they are fantastic.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:00 am to
I will definitely get around to it, going to read the first section of Black Company next.

I'm a little confused by Sanderson's universe though.

Wax & Wayne are in the same world as Mistborn, just into the future correct?

Are Kingkiller chronicles in the same universe as well or are there others that are connected in some fashion?
Posted by LoveThatMoney
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 7:49 am to
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Are Kingkiller chronicles in the same universe as well or are there others that are connected in some fashion?


Kingkiller is not Sanderson. It's Rothfuss. Totally different. Rothfuss is a writer who can turn a nice phrase but has no fricking idea where his story is going. Sanderson is a bit more utilitarian, though he does explore the philosophical quite a bit.

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Wax & Wayne are in the same world as Mistborn, just into the future correct? 


I believe that's right. Stormlight Archives are in the same universe, but a different planet. The universe (called the "Cosmere") is based on a single, seemingly all powerful deity splitting into 16 different shards of himself. These shards were taken by people who became that bit of the god character. So a guy became Honor, another became Odium, etc. By and large, these shards are found on the different planets. Odium is bent on destroying (or perhaps reunifying) all of the shards. Hard to tell really.

There are several wiki pages about the Cosmere you can read to get background, but for the most part you don't really need to know anything about it.

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going to read the first section of Black Company next. 


God, I love those books. So, so much.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:52 am to
Ya i meant stormlight archoves when i said kingkiller - waiting on rothfuss to finish the trilogy at least before starting those.

I've been burning through mistborn to get to the black company - love malazan and heard that is where erikson got a lot of inspiration for the malazan soldiers
This post was edited on 7/6/18 at 9:05 am
Posted by LoveThatMoney
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 9:17 am to
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love malazan and heard that is where erikson got a lot of inspiration for the malazan soldiers


Hmmm... Possibly. I liked the Black Company far more than Gardens of the Moon (which is the only Malazan book I've read because, well, I have no idea what the frick is going on in it and I don't really care to find out). The magic system is not burdensome and the characters shine as they go about their mission. Croaker is excellent. Goblin and One Eye are also a lot fun.
Posted by MSMHater
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 9:22 am to
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Croaker is excellent. Goblin and One Eye are also a lot fun.


I finished Murghan's first book and haven't been able to pick it back up. I did not like him as much as the Old Man and Lady.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 9:25 am to
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love malazan and heard that is where erikson got a lot of inspiration for the malazan soldiers


Hmmm... Possibly. I liked the Black Company far more than Gardens of the Moon (which is the only Malazan book I've read because, well, I have no idea what the frick is going on in it and I don't really care to find out). The magic system is not burdensome and the characters shine as they go about their mission. Croaker is excellent. Goblin and One Eye are also a lot fun.



Honestly you should try the second book as well. Malazan is a tough series, slow reads. But Deadhouse Gates is one of my favorite books in all of fantasy - Gardens of the Moon is hard to understand as it just sort of drops you in and you don't really know what is going on and how it works, it is actually a lot better on the re-read after you figure out how the whole world works.

But Deadhouse Gates, the second book, really is an incredible read.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 9:25 am to
I was going to read the opening trilogy of The Black Company at least and then the next two books are also somewhat paired correct?
Posted by MSMHater
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 10:09 am to
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I was going to read the opening trilogy of The Black Company at least and then the next two books are also somewhat paired correct?


Right. The next 2 are Ladies POV. Then I think 2 with Murghan, before going back to The Old Man for conclusion.
Posted by auyushu
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 1:51 pm to
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I was going to read the opening trilogy of The Black Company at least and then the next two books are also somewhat paired correct?



After the first trilogy there is a continuation of the series that follows the black company starting with shadow games, which has the same narrator/POV. Then there are two books that happen pretty much at the same time from two different POV. The first one Dreams of Steel is quite good and from Lady's POV, and the one MSMhater was complaining about, Bleak Seasons, is from a character called Murgen's POV and is a disjointed mess and not very good. The second Murgen POV book, She is the darkness is much better and is an average read. The final two books are very good, and are in a character named Sleepy's POV and Croaker's POV, respectively.

There is also a book called Silver Spike that occurs at the same time as Shadow Games, and wraps up the story for the characters from the first trilogy that didn't travel south with the black company. It is a very good book as well.

Erickson basically modeled the Bridgeburners after the Black Company, and both series have grunt level troops dealing with high magic battle situations.
This post was edited on 7/6/18 at 4:54 pm
Posted by LoveThatMoney
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 3:15 pm to
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auyushu


Have you read any of the Dread Empire series? It's bizarre. Where Black Company is fairly character focused, Dread Empire, at the least the first book, is almost all plot and very meh.
Posted by auyushu
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Posted on 7/6/18 at 4:51 pm to
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Have you read any of the Dread Empire series?


I haven't yet oddly enough (as I've read all of the black company and his Garrett PI books). I have the first dread empire book on my kindle, just haven't gotten around to it yet.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
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Posted on 7/8/18 at 12:40 pm to
Finished book 3, I liked some of what happened at the end and saw some of it coming, like what all went down with the atium stash. The world just didn't feel big and fleshed out enough for that sort of ending to hit home a ton - plus as others have said I just didn't care about more than a few characters. Overall I enjoyed the series a good bit.
Posted by Big Chipper
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Posted on 7/9/18 at 8:25 am to
Be sure to read Mistborn: Secret History when you're done. It's a really cool look at some of the background stuff that drove the Mistborn trilogy. After that, jump on The Alloy of Law (Wax and Wayne series). It's a couple of hundred years down the road from Mistborn. Good stuff.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
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Posted on 7/11/18 at 1:15 pm to
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Be sure to read Mistborn: Secret History when you're done. It's a really cool look at some of the background stuff that drove the Mistborn trilogy. After that, jump on The Alloy of Law (Wax and Wayne series). It's a couple of hundred years down the road from Mistborn


"Secret History" should probably be the last thing you read as Mistborn currently stands. There are potentially some spoilers for "The Bands of Mourning" in there.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 10/29/18 at 12:17 am to
Just finished alloy of law - read it in a single sitting this afternoon so needless to say i thought it was great. Honestly felt like it was head and shoulders above anything in the original trilogy. The characters were so much more engaging and intereating i felt.
Posted by auyushu
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Posted on 10/29/18 at 12:54 am to
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Honestly felt like it was head and shoulders above anything in the original trilogy. The characters were so much more engaging and intereating i felt.


Pretty much my feelings, and the rest of the Wax and Wayne books are equally good.
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