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EBC Book #2 - Applied Economics by Thomas Sowell

Posted on 6/24/17 at 12:41 pm
Posted by RedStickBR
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Posted on 6/24/17 at 12:41 pm
Just getting this thread ready. Would anyone like to volunteer to moderate this one?
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Posted by RedStickBR
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Posted on 6/25/17 at 2:45 pm to
I've had a chance to look through the book and think our five-hour weekly target would get us through it in 3-4 weeks. What's everyone think about doing 25% each week? That's roughly 50 pages per week.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 2:46 pm
Posted by GregYoureMyBoyBlue
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Posted on 6/25/17 at 3:24 pm to
quote:

I've had a chance to look through the book and think our five-hour weekly target would get us through it in 3-4 weeks. What's everyone think about doing 25% each week? That's roughly 50 pages per week.


I think that's a good call. I'll throw my hat in the ring for moderator. After the first book, do we have any suggestions for best practices?

Posted by RedStickBR
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Posted on 6/25/17 at 3:36 pm to
Not really. It's not meant to be too much of a burden. I just tried to make sure I shared passages I thought were interesting and responded whenever somebody else shared something. It may be worth "setting the stage" a bit like I did for Hazlitt, but that's your call. People probably know Sowell more than they did Hazlitt.
Posted by RedStickBR
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Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:49 pm to
11% in already. It's a page turner! It reads pretty quickly. I think we could do it all in three weeks - 33% each week.
Posted by Willie Stroker
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Posted on 6/26/17 at 7:03 am to
Cool story worth sharing for this book:

After spending much of my life reading fiction for fun, I recognized that the real life implications of life's decisions necessitated that I challenge myself with a more complete understanding of economics.

I was drawn to Sowell as a result of his weekly column. His well articulated, well reasoned writing style that spared the reader from overly dramatic phrasing so common in political commentary, appealed to me. It became clear to me that his body of work would be best suited for the type of personal reading that may best serve me in my career.

The book of his I selected was Knowledge and Decisions (about the distribution of knowledge in society). I took my time with it, often pausing to contemplate what I had read and the implications for how the various passages affect my mental clarity about how society works. By the time I completed the book, it had become a personal treasure. It changed the way I think.

To cement its place on my bookcase hall of fame, I was determined to obtain an autographed copy. So I looked for a hardcover copy to no avail. I settled on purchasing another paperback version, and mailed it with an accompanying letter in a self addressed, stamped envelope that he could easily use to ship it back to me at no additional cost, with negligible effort. The letter described how much that book had meant to me, and how much I wanted it to become a family treasure to be passed along to my children.

After almost two weeks, a larger package arrived from Dr Sowell. He obliged my request to autograph Knowledge and Decisions, but he also included an autographed and personalized hardcover copy of another book with an accompanying letter.

The letter acknowledged that writing Knowledge and Decisions was one of the more difficult books to write, and that he had not really learned how to write for his audience until after that book. He advised that he searched for a hardcover copy to send me, and upon not being able to find a copy, decided include a hardcover copy of his most recent book, Applied Economics, which he advised I would find more readable.

He was right. It was a far better written book with easier to understand concepts, written in a very non-academic style. To this day, Applied Economics shares the highest honor on my bookshelf as one of my most prized possessions.

Posted by RedStickBR
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Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:49 am to
That's an incredible story. Looking forward to your insight as we move along. It's written so clearly it's almost hard to believe.
Posted by Cap Crunch
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Posted on 6/26/17 at 3:36 pm to
Damn, I'm already a full book behind. I moved at the beginning of the month, and that combined with work and the CWS I haven't had much time for reading. I'll have to play catch up next week.
Posted by bayoubengals88
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Posted on 6/26/17 at 4:04 pm to
Me too. Between a hell of an interview process, and having the time of my life on a long vacation, I haven't had the time or will to read anything other than fiction.
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 6/26/17 at 4:50 pm to
No worries guys. Jump on the train whenever y'all can. I, for one, will definitely still be around.
Posted by Willie Stroker
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Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:13 pm to
I'll be glad to slow it down a bit too.

But if anyone else is reading chapter 1, I'm wondering if there's anyone who came across Sowell's remarks about FDR's role in prolonging the Great Depression and if this was the first time you've heard that mentioned.

Much of our history is written by historians swayed by popular opinion. Historians tend not to swim very deeply in economic waters. I just wanted to mention that there are a number of books that explore FDR and the Great Depression more deeply than Sowell. Since the topic is inherently economic, it could certainly be one worth adding to the reading list.
Posted by RedStickBR
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 11:04 am to
Would everyone prefer to split the book into 20% or 25% increments instead of 33%? Want to make sure everyone is keeping a similar pace.
Posted by Willie Stroker
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:05 pm to
With my slowdown, I'm at 8% after 2 days of spotty reading. So 20% by Sunday seems reasonable. Maybe others can check in periodically to give status updates.

I'm wondering if Sowell's chapter 1 remarks about the lost opportunities of basic employment that results when starter jobs are lost through minimum wage increases caused anyone participating in this book club to reassess their views on the issue?
Posted by GregYoureMyBoyBlue
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:46 pm to
Not nearly as comprehensive of a summary as RSBR, but I thought I’d provide a quick summary with a couple of links so people can read up on him. Everything is on wiki, but below is the quick tl;dr version of his background and evolution to a free market economist. Apologies on the tardiness...pulling 80-90 hours past couple weeks at work has put me back a bit.

Thomas Sowell Wiki

• Born in North Carolina; Grew up in Harlem, New York
• Family migrated from NC to NYC in the 1940s as a part of the African American migration from the South to the North to pursue opportunities
• Dropped out of high school due to financial and behavioral issues and was drafted to the US Marines during the Korean War, where he became a US Marine Photographer
• After the Korean War, Sowell went into civil service in Washington DC while attending Howard University. After receiving high scores on entrance exams, he matriculated at Harvard and graduated magna cum laude
• In his early 20s now, Sowell was a self proclaimed Marxist (he wrote his senior thesis on Marx) up until 1960 when he held a summer internship with the federal government. Here he got his first glimpse of how consistently raising the minimum wage of workers in the sugar industry in Puerto Rico resulted in a similar increase in unemployment. At this point, he started to advocate for a free market economic policy, which led him to study more about
• Sowell continued to study the free market under Milton Friedman & George Stigler at the University of Chicago where he later earned his Phd with a dissertation titled  “Say's Law and the General Glut Controversy”
• For information on “Say’s Law” Link
• For information on the “General Glut Controversy” Link

Other Information
• Long time critic of affirmative action and race based quotas noting that in harms everyone involved regardless of race. His argument centers around non qualified students taking seats from qualified students and subsequently failing due to their lack of preparedness for the challenge and vigor of the studies.
• Some of his more controversial views, at their core, are still based on his advocation of a free market economy: such as the de-criminalization of drugs, the notion that government programs have not led to progress within the African American community, and while he doesn't mention it often, his view that gun control on a net balance does not save lives but rather costs lives.


Significant Influencers (Based on proximity and tutelage)
• George Stigler
• Milton Friedman

Other Influencers (Through economic theory)
• Friedrich Hayek
• Henry Hazlitt
• John Maynard Keynes
• Edmund Burke
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 6:45 am
Posted by GregYoureMyBoyBlue
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:24 am to
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Would everyone prefer to split the book into 20% or 25% increments instead of 33%? Want to make sure everyone is keeping a similar pace.



Works for me. Gives more time for contemplation.
Posted by RedStickBR
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:30 pm to
Let's do 20% then and really drill down.
Posted by RedStickBR
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:31 pm to
Great stuff. I learned a few things. Thanks for sharing and for the time.
Posted by RedStickBR
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:33 pm to
I'm thrilled he gets into the wage topic so early. That was my favorite Hazlitt discussion. Considering that inflation is a form of real wage cuts, how inflationistas like Krugman can argue for inflation out of one side of their mouth while knocking wage cuts out of the other just tells me they are for wage cuts without actually telling people they are wage cuts. I can't think of a more arrogant and elitist mindset.
Posted by RedStickBR
Member since Sep 2009
14577 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 7:21 am to
By the way, have y'all seen the study results looking at Seattle's minimum wage hikes? Turns out it hurt the very people it was trying to help since the wage hikes weren't tied to production increases.

A timely real-life example of what we are reading about:

LINK
Posted by GregYoureMyBoyBlue
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 5:45 pm to
quote:

By the way, have y'all seen the study results looking at Seattle's minimum wage hikes? Turns out it hurt the very people it was trying to help since the wage hikes weren't tied to production increases.


Fantastic. Thanks for sharing.

Was reading through section on the price control of electricity for the state of California, and I can't help but wonder where we would be today with regard to renewable energy and alternative fuel costs had they stayed the course. In theory, firms would either build more power plants to cater to the rising prices & demand, or consumers would find cost effective alternatives that satisfy their needs. This is exactly what happened more recently with regard to the demand in the solar energy industry.

Here's an excerpt on cost where manufacturers "overcorrected" for the demand because of a pricing surge in components of solar modules...something that in theory would've happened with power producers in California during the pricing surge in the reading.

quote:

As can be seen from the graph at the left, recent solar module prices have experienced a dramatic price reduction. From 2006 to 2014, an eight year span, worldwide average module prices have dropped about 78% from $3.25 per watt to about $.72 per watt, an incredible drop.
The main reason crystalline silicon module prices dropped so much was because the price of the raw material polysilicon, which makes up a very significant part of the total cost, dropped so tremendously. Back in 2007 there was a world wide polysilicon shortage and prices increased to about $400/kg. Polysilicon suppliers made a lot of money and added tons of capacity so that there was a huge polysilicon capacity oversupply by 2010. Over a three year period from 2008 to 2011, polysilicon prices dropped from $400 per kilogram to $25/kg - a 94% drop. There continues to be a major overhang of polysilicon supply which is expected to continue for a few more years.
In addition to the polysilicon issue, the decline is also being driven by a) the increasing efficiency of solar cells (ratio of electrical energy produced to sunshine energy) b) dramatic manufacturing technology improvements, c) economies of scale and d) intense competition which lead to module oversupply. The solar growth rate of 23% per year over the last 5 years allowed manufacturing efficiencies that are unheard of in other industries. In addition, there are way too many competitors jousting for major contracts, which is also driving prices down precipitously.


FYI, found this excerpt on a fairly low-tech, biased website...so take that for what it's worth, but facts seemed legit and in line with our reading. LINK
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 5:53 pm
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